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Old 10-25-2013, 03:48 PM
 
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Personally, I think it's ridiculous for people who call themselves Christians - especially devout ones - to put up a fancy tree in their home and tell their kids that a magic man brings them presents, then turn around and complain that people have forgotten the meaning of Christmas. One has nothing to do with the other.
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Old 10-25-2013, 04:12 PM
 
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Leviticus 23
33 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 34 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying: ‘The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the Feast of Tabernacles for seven days to the Lord.


Even though we are not commanded to celebrate Jesus birth, there is no command not to celebrate the birth of Christ either.

If Christmas were changed to the 15th day of September (the 7th month of biblical calendar) during the feast of tabernacles at the time Jesus was actually born, do you think people would still celebrate it?

Based off of some wise men giving gifts to Jesus, NOT each other, Would there still be gift giving?
Would we shop until we drop on things we cant afford?
Would there be a Santa clause and elf's?
Would we still put up a Christmas tree?
Would there be missile toe?




THIS IS NOT A DONT OBSERVE XMAS POST, BUT RATHER TO MAKE YOU THINK OF THE SILLY THINGS WE DONT THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS BIRTH.


Read and learn

Are Birthday Celebrations Christian?
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Old 10-25-2013, 04:15 PM
 
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Jeremiah 10

New International Version (NIV)

God and Idols

10 Hear what the Lord says to you, people of Israel. 2 This is what the Lord says:
“Do not learn the ways of the nations
or be terrified by signs in the heavens,
though the nations are terrified by them.
3 For the practices of the peoples are worthless;
they cut a tree out of the forest,
and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.
4 They adorn it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so it will not totter.

5 Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field,
their idols cannot speak;
they must be carried
because they cannot walk.
Do not fear them;
they can do no harm
nor can they do any good.”

6 No one is like you, Lord;
you are great,
and your name is mighty in power.
7 Who should not fear you,
King of the nations?
This is your due.
Among all the wise leaders of the nations
and in all their kingdoms,
there is no one like you.

8 They are all senseless and foolish;
they are taught by worthless wooden idols.
9 Hammered silver is brought from Tarshish
and gold from Uphaz.
What the craftsman and goldsmith have made
is then dressed in blue and purple—
all made by skilled workers.
10 But the Lord is the true God;
he is the living God, the eternal King.
When he is angry, the earth trembles;
the nations cannot endure his wrath.

11 “Tell them this: ‘These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.’”[a]
12 But God made the earth by his power;
he founded the world by his wisdom
and stretched out the heavens by his understanding.
13 When he thunders, the waters in the heavens roar;
he makes clouds rise from the ends of the earth.
He sends lightning with the rain
and brings out the wind from his storehouses.

14 Everyone is senseless and without knowledge;
every goldsmith is shamed by his idols.
The images he makes are a fraud;
they have no breath in them.
15 They are worthless, the objects of mockery;
when their judgment comes, they will perish.
16 He who is the Portion of Jacob is not like these,
for he is the Maker of all things,
including Israel, the people of his inheritance—
the Lord Almighty is his name.
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Old 10-25-2013, 04:18 PM
 
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Wreaths have been in existence since ancient times, as early as 776 BC Laurel leaf wreaths were placed upon the heads of the victors at early Olympic games! Even before that headbands of cloth adorned with jewels called "diadems" were worn in ancient Persia and are believed to be the predecessor of the crown. Wreaths were thought to be symbolic of the year and showed how cycles never ended but began anew. In 1866 in Waterloo, New York wreaths were placed on the graves of Civil War soldiers who died in combat and was the first community wide celebration of Decoration or Memorial Day. Scandinavians started the tradition of hanging the wreath at Yule which was the beginning of their year, to commemorate new beginnings in the cycle of life.
You can find a wreath almost any where, especially going into autumn or the winter holiday season. They come in many styles, sizes and colors for just about any season or occasion, but why should you hang a wreath on your front door? Here are five good reasons, though I'm sure there are actually many more.



To protect your home from evil spirits and negativity!
Yes, I said evil spirits and negativity. Willow, a very traditional wreath material in the British Isles because it grows profusely there, is said to have protective properties that can actually ward off evil spirits and negativity.
Wreaths can add much charm, beauty and even protection for your home and family. They show the world your unique style, and even welcome us home after a long, difficult day. They add warmth and comfort as we cross the threshold of our sanctuary and sometimes can even make us smile. They are an age old tradition and can be fun to make. So what kind of wreath do you plan to hang on your door?






And from a pagan POV.


5 Reasons to Hang a Wreath on Your Door - Yahoo Voices - voices.yahoo.com
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Old 10-26-2013, 05:47 AM
 
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See early Christians from the Ancient Romans could not have celebrated the natal Christmas in September time as they were under persecution , and it was illegal to be a Christians , so they would have been dispersed or killed in this illegal assembly .....So as the Romans celebrated a festival of Saturnalia, to their pagan god of saturn ....Christians blended in a celebrated the non pagan living God`s birth of Jesus Christ at the same time for fear of persecution by the Roman occupiers .... I don`t believe that it matters to here what time to celebrate the birth of Jesus as every day of the year is a blessing .........
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Old 10-26-2013, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Clanton, AL
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What we forget is that Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus. In fact Christians at one time helped to ban the pagan holiday in both America and England. As a Christian who knows the facts I know Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus and don't pretend it does. It originated from pagan practices alone and has become a cultural holiday. Since the practices are not to worship any gods now I don't see a problem with it. I do see a problem when people try and include Jesus in some way that is not based in any truth at all. Jesus is not the reason for the season! Jesus should be our object of worship year round.
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Old 10-26-2013, 06:04 AM
 
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Is that site the group that broke off from the Armstrong organization once it accepted Christianity after his death?
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Old 10-26-2013, 06:06 AM
 
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Is that site the group that broke off from Armstrong organization once it accepted Christianity after his death?


I'm not concerned with the site, the content is factual.
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Old 10-26-2013, 06:57 AM
 
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I'm not concerned with the site, the content is factual.
I agree there are SOME facts in the article. But three is also assumptions. Not to mention the building of doctrine upon the lack of evidence. The absence of something does not create a negative. If we adopt the logic of the author then we must not do or use anything that the people of God did not do or use and is recorded in the Bible. So no electricity or central heat and air or telephones or cars.

The scripture never condemns observance of someones birthday. Using the reasoning style of the author of that article I could say that because scripture does not condemn something then it is obviously something God wants us to do. Just because we have accounts of people who did bad things on their birthday does not mean that acknowledging someones birthday is itself bad.
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Old 10-26-2013, 06:59 AM
 
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Jeremiah 10

New International Version (NIV)

God and Idols

10 Hear what the Lord says to you, people of Israel. 2 This is what the Lord says:
“Do not learn the ways of the nations
or be terrified by signs in the heavens,
though the nations are terrified by them.
3 For the practices of the peoples are worthless;
they cut a tree out of the forest,
and a craftsman shapes it with his chisel.
4 They adorn it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so it will not totter.

5 Like a scarecrow in a cucumber field,
their idols cannot speak;
they must be carried
because they cannot walk.
Do not fear them;
they can do no harm
nor can they do any good.”

6 No one is like you, Lord;
you are great,
and your name is mighty in power.
7 Who should not fear you,
King of the nations?
This is your due.
Among all the wise leaders of the nations
and in all their kingdoms,
there is no one like you.

8 They are all senseless and foolish;
they are taught by worthless wooden idols.
9 Hammered silver is brought from Tarshish
and gold from Uphaz.
What the craftsman and goldsmith have made
is then dressed in blue and purple—
all made by skilled workers.
10 But the Lord is the true God;
he is the living God, the eternal King.
When he is angry, the earth trembles;
the nations cannot endure his wrath.

11 “Tell them this: ‘These gods, who did not make the heavens and the earth, will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.’”[a]
12 But God made the earth by his power;
he founded the world by his wisdom
and stretched out the heavens by his understanding.
13 When he thunders, the waters in the heavens roar;
he makes clouds rise from the ends of the earth.
He sends lightning with the rain
and brings out the wind from his storehouses.

14 Everyone is senseless and without knowledge;
every goldsmith is shamed by his idols.
The images he makes are a fraud;
they have no breath in them.
15 They are worthless, the objects of mockery;
when their judgment comes, they will perish.
16 He who is the Portion of Jacob is not like these,
for he is the Maker of all things,
including Israel, the people of his inheritance—
the Lord Almighty is his name.
Jeremiah 10 has nothing to do with a Christmas tree, since there was no such thing as Christmas back then. Jeremiah 3 shows what Jer 10 was talking about in which they literally cut down and worshiped evergreen trees and made idols out of these trees.

Jeremiah 3
6 The Lord said also to me in the days of Josiah the king: “Have you seen what backsliding Israel has done? She has gone up on every high mountain and under every green tree, and there played the harlot.

13 Only acknowledge your iniquity,
That you have transgressed against the Lord your God,
And have scattered your charms
To alien deities under every green tree,
And you have not obeyed My voice,’ says the Lord.
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