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Old 10-29-2013, 02:39 PM
 
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Since Christmas is approaching, we will be hearing the nativity accounts in Matthew's and Luke's which do not appear elsewhere.

But some questions arise immediately. Is this an historical event or only a story?

Matthew 2 claims that Jesus was born during the life time of King Herod who died about 4 B.C.

Luke 2 claims that Jesus was born during the census of Judea conducted by the Roman governor of Syria, Quirinius (when Herod's son and inheritor Archelaus was exiled) in 6 AD (see Josephus, Antiquities).

Because there is a ten year difference, at least one of these accounts isn't historical.

Which is it? How can we tell?
For me it is about "today in pcamps a savior is born".
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Old 10-29-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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Yes. As people become more rational, the acceptance of folklore and just plain yarns decreases. I think that is a rather good thing, don't you?
No. Folklore and yarns are frequently the basis of great truths that you have not yet been able to fathom.
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Old 10-29-2013, 03:42 PM
 
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So you recognize that scripture contains historical errors?
No doubt, it is full of errors.
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Old 10-30-2013, 05:48 AM
 
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No. Folklore and yarns are frequently the basis of great truths that you have not yet been able to fathom.
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No. Being largely fictional, folklore and yarns can't form the basis of "great truths."

For example, Harry Potter is not the basis for a religious faith.
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Old 10-30-2013, 05:51 AM
 
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No doubt, it is full of errors.
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That is a characteristic of human writings, not divine authorship.
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Old 10-30-2013, 06:04 AM
 
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That is a characteristic of human writings, not divine authorship.
The writers were inspired, but the number of errors reflect that the bible was written by highly imperfect humans.


However, despite the massive number of errors, corrections, alterations over the years the bible can bne used to enrich the spirit and as a guide for worship. However, many parts of the OT are clearly out of place and should be remove in the next council of the RCC.
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Old 10-30-2013, 08:02 AM
 
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No. Being largely fictional, folklore and yarns can't form the basis of "great truths."

For example, Harry Potter is not the basis for a religious faith.
Quite interesting that you mention Harry Potter. Although many Christians have taken issue with the book, I feel that it is the Christian message that flows through the entire series of books that made it so attractive to young people in particular. Because that Christian story reaches out through the Bible or even fictional work to demand our attention. It's why you, Ancient Warrior, are drawn again and again toward a battle that you cannot win.

First the very name "Potter" invokes the view of God mastering us (Jeremiah 18:1-6), so Harry is a kind of Christ figure. Many of the names in the books have other important meanings--Malfoy, Harry's opponent in Hogswart, is a name coming from the same base French word mal foi (meaning bad faith) from which we get malfeasance. Draco, the boy Malfoy's first name, in Latin means snake or dragon. Minerva McGonagall, Harry's teacher,--Minerva means "wise," and she frequently dispassionately dispersed her wisdom to the three main characters. Remus Lupin, a professor at Hogswart, was dismissed after he was discovered to be a werewolf. Lupin means "wolf-like" in Latin. Albus Dumbledore, Albus means white. The colors white and black and red play prominent roles throughout the book, and express good, bad, and danger.

I could go on and on, but the point is that there is a spiritual message hidden in Harry Potter.

Notice also that the three good friends, Harry, Ron, and Hermione represent our view of the human--Spirit (Harry), Body (Ron), and Intellect or Mind (Hermione). Notice also that whenever these three aren't working together as a team, the world around them is not going very well. It's when they work together that they manage to overcome evil.

In the last book, there is a climatic battle, in which Harry has apparently been killed, but he rises from the dead to do battle with Lord Voldemort. Even more meaningful, is that when Harry is thought dead, it is Neville Longbottom, the ordinary kid, the one not particularly adept, the one without great power, who, with his FAITH steps out and stands in front of all the other "christians" (Harry's friends who have lost heart) to do battle with the evil forces arrayed against them.

So thank you for allowing me to show that folklores and yarns contain great truths, and that the biblical truths remain very attractive to people everywhere. Over 400 million copies of the Potter books have been sold. The final book sold 15 million copies in 24 hours.

People are hungry for the story of God---even when they don't recognize it.
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Old 10-30-2013, 09:42 AM
 
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No. Being largely fictional, folklore and yarns can't form the basis of "great truths."

For example, Harry Potter is not the basis for a religious faith.
Virtually everything in the Bible is based on folklore and yarns, so how could you possibly think that it gives any great truth.
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Old 10-31-2013, 02:36 PM
 
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Quite interesting that you mention Harry Potter. Although many Christians have taken issue with the book, I feel that it is the Christian message that flows through the entire series of books that made it so attractive to young people in particular. Because that Christian story reaches out through the Bible or even fictional work to demand our attention. It's why you, Ancient Warrior, are drawn again and again toward a battle that you cannot win.

First the very name "Potter" invokes the view of God mastering us (Jeremiah 18:1-6), so Harry is a kind of Christ figure. Many of the names in the books have other important meanings--Malfoy, Harry's opponent in Hogswart, is a name coming from the same base French word mal foi (meaning bad faith) from which we get malfeasance. Draco, the boy Malfoy's first name, in Latin means snake or dragon. Minerva McGonagall, Harry's teacher,--Minerva means "wise," and she frequently dispassionately dispersed her wisdom to the three main characters. Remus Lupin, a professor at Hogswart, was dismissed after he was discovered to be a werewolf. Lupin means "wolf-like" in Latin. Albus Dumbledore, Albus means white. The colors white and black and red play prominent roles throughout the book, and express good, bad, and danger.

I could go on and on, but the point is that there is a spiritual message hidden in Harry Potter.

Notice also that the three good friends, Harry, Ron, and Hermione represent our view of the human--Spirit (Harry), Body (Ron), and Intellect or Mind (Hermione). Notice also that whenever these three aren't working together as a team, the world around them is not going very well. It's when they work together that they manage to overcome evil.

In the last book, there is a climatic battle, in which Harry has apparently been killed, but he rises from the dead to do battle with Lord Voldemort. Even more meaningful, is that when Harry is thought dead, it is Neville Longbottom, the ordinary kid, the one not particularly adept, the one without great power, who, with his FAITH steps out and stands in front of all the other "christians" (Harry's friends who have lost heart) to do battle with the evil forces arrayed against them.

So thank you for allowing me to show that folklores and yarns contain great truths, and that the biblical truths remain very attractive to people everywhere. Over 400 million copies of the Potter books have been sold. The final book sold 15 million copies in 24 hours.

People are hungry for the story of God---even when they don't recognize it.
I love how your mind works, Warden. Fascinating.
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Old 10-31-2013, 08:45 PM
 
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I love how your mind works, Warden.
The synopsis was enlightening to say the least.
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