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Old 10-28-2013, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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If your area is anything like mine, you get all kinds of requests for food aid for the poor. Salvation Army, Food banks, churches, etc, seem to be constantly trying to raise money to purchase food for poor people. But frankly, I find this confusing. Our nation has a record number of people on food stamps. Schools offer free breakfast and lunch. I've heard they will even send home snacks for the rest of the day. Food banks freely offer food to many. In our area, the food bank supposedly serves 100,000 people a year, which is about 1/3 of the total population of this area. Meals on wheels offers free meals to seniors. Yet one of our nations biggest problems is obesity.

I will probably get blasted for this, but I don't give to these organizations, except Salvation army, who tries to get the homeless back on their feet. Doesn't the words of Paul apply anymore, If any shall not work, neither should he eat. Certainly we don't apply this to the elderly or handicapped or children, but it seems to me a lot of able bodied people may just be living off the hard work of others. I think the food thing is being way overdone and the evidence is the high rates of obesity.

Tell me where I'm wrong. I'm waiting for someone to straighten me out.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:38 AM
 
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If your area is anything like mine, you get all kinds of requests for food aid for the poor. Salvation Army, Food banks, churches, etc, seem to be constantly trying to raise money to purchase food for poor people. But frankly, I find this confusing. Our nation has a record number of people on food stamps. Schools offer free breakfast and lunch. I've heard they will even send home snacks for the rest of the day. Food banks freely offer food to many. In our area, the food bank supposedly serves 100,000 people a year, which is about 1/3 of the total population of this area. Meals on wheels offers free meals to seniors. Yet one of our nations biggest problems is obesity.

I will probably get blasted for this, but I don't give to these organizations, except Salvation army, who tries to get the homeless back on their feet. Doesn't the words of Paul apply anymore, If any shall not work, neither should he eat. Certainly we don't apply this to the elderly or handicapped or children, but it seems to me a lot of able bodied people may just be living off the hard work of others. I think the food thing is being way overdone and the evidence is the high rates of obesity.

Tell me where I'm wrong. I'm waiting for someone to straighten me out.
I only support my parish and the Archdiocese. In that manner I know where the money is going.

As a side note my kids had to volunteer in homeless shelters (a requirement for graduation) helping in the cafeteria at dinner time. My daughter told me that one shelter had a French Chef doing the cooking and that the meals were amazing. The pantry was packed at all times.
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Old 10-28-2013, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Somewhere Out West
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If your area is anything like mine, you get all kinds of requests for food aid for the poor. Salvation Army, Food banks, churches, etc, seem to be constantly trying to raise money to purchase food for poor people. But frankly, I find this confusing. Our nation has a record number of people on food stamps. Schools offer free breakfast and lunch. I've heard they will even send home snacks for the rest of the day. Food banks freely offer food to many. In our area, the food bank supposedly serves 100,000 people a year, which is about 1/3 of the total population of this area. Meals on wheels offers free meals to seniors. Yet one of our nations biggest problems is obesity.

I will probably get blasted for this, but I don't give to these organizations, except Salvation army, who tries to get the homeless back on their feet. Doesn't the words of Paul apply anymore, If any shall not work, neither should he eat. Certainly we don't apply this to the elderly or handicapped or children, but it seems to me a lot of able bodied people may just be living off the hard work of others. I think the food thing is being way overdone and the evidence is the high rates of obesity.

Tell me where I'm wrong. I'm waiting for someone to straighten me out.
Our church runs a community meal and we have a consistent crowd of low income people. Food stamps (SNAP) in the U.S. is supplemental, it is not enough to feed a family... if they don't have any other source then they don't have enough.

FYI I am opposite of you, I will give to most charities but won't give the Salvation Army one dime. They are an extremely intolerant, homophobic organisation that requires those being helped to accept Jesus before they receive any assistance. Sorry not our job to say no Jesus, no donut.
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Old 10-28-2013, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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If your area is anything like mine, you get all kinds of requests for food aid for the poor. Salvation Army, Food banks, churches, etc, seem to be constantly trying to raise money to purchase food for poor people. But frankly, I find this confusing. Our nation has a record number of people on food stamps. Schools offer free breakfast and lunch. I've heard they will even send home snacks for the rest of the day. Food banks freely offer food to many. In our area, the food bank supposedly serves 100,000 people a year, which is about 1/3 of the total population of this area. Meals on wheels offers free meals to seniors. Yet one of our nations biggest problems is obesity.

I will probably get blasted for this, but I don't give to these organizations, except Salvation army, who tries to get the homeless back on their feet. Doesn't the words of Paul apply anymore, If any shall not work, neither should he eat. Certainly we don't apply this to the elderly or handicapped or children, but it seems to me a lot of able bodied people may just be living off the hard work of others. I think the food thing is being way overdone and the evidence is the high rates of obesity.

Tell me where I'm wrong. I'm waiting for someone to straighten me out.

As long as you allow your well-formed conscience to always be your guide you will need no "straightening out".
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Old 10-28-2013, 12:52 PM
 
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If your area is anything like mine, you get all kinds of requests for food aid for the poor
I get literally dozens of mailings from charities this time of year. It can be overwhelming. Most are from charities I've given to in the past so that makes it easier.

As far as schools go, the USDA administered federal school lunch, breakfast, and summer food programs help states serve qualified students. Some programs reach public, private and child care institutions.
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Our church runs a community meal and we have a consistent crowd of low income people. Food stamps (SNAP) in the U.S. is supplemental, it is not enough to feed a family... if they don't have any other source then they don't have enough
The community I live in has M-F lunch meals served at area churches with kitchens and space to serve and sit everyone. This limits us to the Catholic, Methodist, Church of God, Lutheran and Nazarene Churches, though many others contribute financial support. It's a faith based effort that works well. We get a mix of seniors and poor.

You are correct revrandy food stamps, especially for a family is not enough. Additionally, for many homeless, this is the only hot, nutritious meal they get. Plus, they get networked into other services such as dental and health care. To me it's a win-win for everyone.
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Old 10-28-2013, 12:55 PM
 
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I volunteer taking applications for aid at a food pantry, what I see is alot of families who are in the "gray zone". They are NOT poor enough to get SNAP, food stamps etc, but they are now paying for expensive health treatment (grandmother needs to be put in a home, father need bypass surgery), or have had some other life expense pop up where they just can not stretch income to cover all things. These people usually need free food and then can pay for their heating oil, or need oil assistance and have enough left over for food. It's not a great place to be stuck in.

Others I see have just recently gotten into trouble, they are waiting to be approved for food stamps, waiting for disablity payments to start, waiting for death benifits to begin, etc, and can't cover those few months, or don't even know where to begin APPLYING for other aid, so we help direct them their as well.
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Old 10-28-2013, 01:50 PM
 
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I will probably get blasted for this, but I don't give to these organizations, except Salvation army, who tries to get the homeless back on their feet. Doesn't the words of Paul apply anymore, If any shall not work, neither should he eat. Certainly we don't apply this to the elderly or handicapped or children, but it seems to me a lot of able bodied people may just be living off the hard work of others. I think the food thing is being way overdone and the evidence is the high rates of obesity.

Tell me where I'm wrong. I'm waiting for someone to straighten me out.
I hope you have a job; and are not one of those living-off the hard work of others.
By the way, how much do you weigh in relationship to your height?

Surely, you're not hungry or starving?


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Old 10-28-2013, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Here's how the LDS Church welfare system works: We Mormons have always been strongly encouraged by our Church leadership to (1) get a good education to prepare us to support our families, (2) live within our means and to avoid unnecessary debt, (3) maintain a savings account and supply of non-perishable foods to get us through hard times. That said, regardless of how prepared a family may be for unforeseen circumstances, people do need help from time to time.

Let's say that an LDS man with a stay-at-home wife and three small children loses his job. After a while, the savings start to run out and the family begins to be genuinely concerned about the future. The house payment is coming up, and winter weather is on its way. The food supply is dwindling and the kids are going to be needing new coats in the near future. The man and his wife meet together with their bishop (the leader of their congregation) and describe the situation to him. Together, they fill out a "food order." The couple then goes to one of many LDS facilities throughout the country in which they live. They go through the "grocery store" there and get all of the food that is on their "food order." When they get to the check-out line, they don't pay a dime for it. Assuming that the man (or woman) is physically capable of working, they will put them to work at that facility or elsewhere. They might be assigned to work in the bakery, in the cannery, in the milk-production plant or in the adjoining thrift store. They might even be asked to work on one of the Church's farms where the food they just bought was grown. Thus, the charity they receive is not merely part of a dole system, and they do something to pay for what they're getting. Meanwhile, an employment specialist starts working to find the man a new job. The Church may help with his house payment until he gets back on his feet. The important thing is that the family's needs are taken care of in the short term, and steps are being taken to remedy the situation in the long term.
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Old 10-28-2013, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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Katzpur. I had heard good things about the Mormon system, and you've confirmed them. That is the Biblical model( that work is expected if the person is able bodied.) and I applaud them.
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Old 10-28-2013, 02:59 PM
 
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Still if some people are too fat then it may not be the amount of food that they are eating but the they may be getting the wrong kind of food ............. But a Christians , Jesus see what His people has , and prefer that if they can give money or food , than it is the will of God that we do give .................. See Sodom and Gomorrah were condemn by God because the leader had plenty and could of gave to the poor , but the people starved ............... So it is the will of God that there is food to the poor .............. See people who point fingers at the poor and just say they are lazy , may not know the whole story , As the economies of this western nation force people to spend money to have a good Job , like to obscene rate people have to pay for transportation to get to jobs , as if they do not have a car then the busses are expensive.... Then the economies of these western nation are today anti-labor and prefer to send the jobs overseas or have foreigners come and take to job ................. it is not easy as the piece of pie of American is a lost dream
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