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Old 11-01-2013, 12:30 PM
 
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The problem isn't theological otherwise the RCC wouldn't teach it ... would they
Does the Catholic Church believe in the devil? | Catholic Answers
Sure, the RCC has no choice but to say this. What else could they say?


However, off the record some well educated priests will probably tell you Satan is an allegoric figure. However, during the rite of Baptism they will ask ALL to reject Satan. It is not hypocrisy, it simply means following the tradition.
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Old 11-01-2013, 12:51 PM
 
Location: New England
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The notion that this so called devil is out to get you with no respect for your free will and yet God(almighty,all power full, whose arm is not short to save) doing anything remotely good, has is hands tied by man's free will, is rather absurd. Then it gets more absurd, that the Savior God is going to do to all who do not believe, that which this so called has been seeking to do through our lifetime. You simply cannot make this stuff up.

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Old 11-01-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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The notion that this so called devil is out to get you with no respect for your free will and yet God(almighty,all power full, whose arm is not short to save) doing anything remotely good, has is hands tied by man's free will, is rather absurd. Then it gets more absurd, that the Savior God is going to do all who do not believe, that which this so called has been seeking to do through our lifetime. You simply cannot make this stuff up.
Agree!

It only works if folks have the mindset of 2000 years ago which was rooted in mythology..

BTW Isaac Newton was at most a deist.
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Old 11-01-2013, 02:07 PM
 
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The notion that this so called devil is out to get you with no respect for your free will and yet God (almighty, all powerful, whose arm is not short to save) doing anything remotely good, having his hands tied by man's free will, is rather absurd. Then it gets more absurd, that the Savior God is going to do to all who do not believe, that which this so called [devil] has been seeking to do through our lifetime. You simply cannot make this stuff up.
In an irrational world, anything is possible.
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Old 11-01-2013, 02:13 PM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Agree!

It only works if folks have the mindset of 2000 years ago which was rooted in mythology..

BTW Isaac Newton was at most a deist.
I would love for you to tell that to a Pope ...... heck he might just step down and you can take his place.
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Old 11-01-2013, 02:17 PM
 
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In an irrational world, anything is possible.
which doesn't surprise me when I see barbaric tree naturalists around Flagstaff
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Old 11-01-2013, 02:23 PM
 
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In an irrational world, anything is possible.
A world in which this devil unawares is proclaimed to be God.. Recant or die and believe or die, to me is of the same spirit. A very unfortunate way to have your fete sealed.
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Old 11-01-2013, 03:54 PM
 
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which doesn't surprise me when I see barbaric tree naturalists around Flagstaff
There are barbaric tree naturalists around Flagstaff? Dang, missed them!!

Where? At Sizzler or out on Mars Hill? If they're on Mars Hill, they're astronomers not barbaric tree naturalists. Though, since they all come out at night, I can understand your confusion.
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Old 11-01-2013, 04:02 PM
 
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There are barbaric tree naturalists around Flagstaff? Dang, missed them!!

Where? At Sizzler or out on Mars Hill? If they're on Mars Hill, they're astronomers not barbaric tree naturalists.
Though, since they all come out at night, I can understand your confusion.
I thought he was talking about killing trees for Christmas, isn't that barbaric?
Or should we resort to superstition, as in "the devil made me do it!"
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Old 11-01-2013, 04:10 PM
 
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Which doesn't surprise me when I see barbaric tree naturalists around Flagstaff.
Care to join me for a barbaric, Mocha Frappuccino or Caramel Macchiato?
Or would that be to humanistic, or below ones dignity to be seen in public?
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