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Old 11-04-2013, 05:37 PM
 
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Do you think king David is not saved? He is already in Heaven. If he would not repent, he would be in hell. We are not under the law, but grace. But God is the same, His principles are the same. In the OT they had to fulfill the Law, under the NT we can overcome sin by the power of God and serve Him in righteousness and without fear. Not being under the law does not give anyone the license to sin! The bible says who sins will be judged with or without law. Your problem is, you think grace covers lawlessness and all sins are already forgiven. A christian has to walk in the light (1.Jn 1:5-10), If he sins a sin to death he becomes a slave to sin. If he does not repent, he is lost. That Christians cannot get rid of sin is because the lack of the power of the Holy Spirit, discernment and deliverance. If believers want to keep the law in their own power they are in trouble. Christ in us is the hope of glory. So long you teach the people they can live a lifestyle of adultery and go still to Heaven, Christians are in danger. Because most of the church are worldly and lukewarm, there teaching has become a burden. To solve the problem and get the crowds, they preach sin is not the problem anymore and everyone is happy, the problem seems to be solved. UR does the same, but in a broader level. But what says the bible, you really see the whole picture, who has blinded you?
I think it's best to ask yourself the same question and read the bible. There are plenty of scriptures to show that sin is no longer an issue. Jesus took care of it on the cross. It so grace that set us free from sin. We are no longer under the law, but under grace. Read Romans 4 and Hebrews 7-10. All sins are already forgiven. It's in the bible.
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Old 11-04-2013, 05:38 PM
 
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I repeat, because of what some other Scriptures clearly say,

these verses Mark 13:13, Matt 10:22, Matt 24:13 ...
“But he who endures to the end (i.e. death) shall be saved.”

are considered by Christians to have a dual meaning, i.e. physical and spiritual death.
What is the context of the "end" in Matt 24? Will all of the following happen in everyone's life?

“Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.

You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.

Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.

There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains.

“Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.

At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.

Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
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Old 11-04-2013, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Clanton, AL
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I repeat, because of what some other Scriptures clearly say,

these verses Mark 13:13, Matt 10:22, Matt 24:13 ...
“But he who endures to the end (i.e. death) shall be saved.”

are considered by Christians to have a dual meaning, i.e. physical and spiritual death.
If you read this in context you see it has nothing to do with salvation but enduring to the end of a future event that Jesus is describing. It is important to pay attention to what is being said and not take verses out of context and try and build a doctrine on them.
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Old 11-05-2013, 08:10 AM
 
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I think it's best to ask yourself the same question and read the bible. There are plenty of scriptures to show that sin is no longer an issue. Jesus took care of it on the cross. It so grace that set us free from sin. We are no longer under the law, but under grace. Read Romans 4 and Hebrews 7-10. All sins are already forgiven. It's in the bible.
Is ANYONE under sin then at this time?
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Old 11-05-2013, 08:42 AM
 
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Is ANYONE under sin then at this time?
If we were not, we would not have counsel in Scripture to repent. No repentance, no forgiveness.
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Old 11-05-2013, 08:56 AM
 
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If we were not, we would not have counsel in Scripture to repent. No repentance, no forgiveness.
Yes, I would agree but it seems that some don't understand that your only under Grace while in Christ.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:12 AM
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I think it's best to ask yourself the same question and read the bible. There are plenty of scriptures to show that sin is no longer an issue. Jesus took care of it on the cross. It so grace that set us free from sin. We are no longer under the law, but under grace. Read Romans 4 and Hebrews 7-10. All sins are already forgiven. It's in the bible.
Why do you think that I am under the law? I am under grace, Jesus forgave me my sins! Amen
I also can tell you that I do not believe that I have to do works to be saved, it is a gift that I received. If it would be otherwise I never would know how many good works I had to do to be saved. The issue we are dealing with is can we loose our salvation? I have the revelation that I lost it because not of doing good works, I led even others to the Lord, but I would have gone to hell because of sins to death I committed as a Christian. To believe on Christ is to follow Him and to love Him and to do what He says and if we fail to repent. He told me to love Him and do His commandments. This I do to my best knowledge, and if I fail, I repent. If you call this what the bible says is right, being under the law and salvation through works, I cannot help you.
If you believe a Christian can commit sins to death and has not to confess it and repent, you have the free will to do and believe what ever you want, I will not judge you, because I was not better then you, but consider we all have to come before the judgement seat of Christ.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:26 AM
 
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If you read this in context you see it has nothing to do with salvation but enduring to the end of a future event that Jesus is describing. It is important to pay attention to what is being said and not take verses out of context and try and build a doctrine on them.
Thou doesn't believe that God often kills two birds with one stone?
Lots of verses have double or triple meanings.
When we have 10 verses saying we must endure to the end of our lives to be saved,
'tis easy to throw this statement of Jesus in with the 10.
Even makes logical sense to do so! Dah.
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:29 AM
 
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Is ANYONE under sin then at this time?
NAH ... OSASers say NAH ... Just sin away, guys 'n gals!
Heaven's there a-waitin' for ya!
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:30 AM
 
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Yes, I would agree but it seems that some don't understand that your only under Grace while in Christ.
Yahbut, most BACs don't know what "in Christ" means!
Hint: it does NOT mean being born-again!
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