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Old 10-30-2013, 10:52 AM
 
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My daily Bible reading was in the Gospel of John. I started thinking of the many things Jesus said and how much was figurative and how much was literal. In Chapter 6, Jesus has fed the 5,000. He then walks on the lake before getting in the boat. The next day the crowd catches up to him on the other side of the lake. Here The Bread of Life Discourse begins. (This is quoted from The Holy Bible. When I try to 'quote wrap' it, I get hundreds of [SIZE] and [LEFT] insertions. I quoted the NIV version. Here is their copyright statement:The NIV text may be quoted in any form (written, visual, electronic or audio), up to and inclusive of five hundred (500) verses without express written permission of the publisher, providing the verses do not amount to a complete book of the Bible nor do the verses quoted account for twenty-five percent (25%) or more of the total text of the work in which they are quoted.)
25When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, "Rabbi, when did you get here?"26Jesus answered, "Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval."28Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"29Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."30So they asked him, "What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’"32Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."34"Sir," they said, "always give us this bread."35Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."41At this the Jews there began to grumble about him because he said, "I am the bread that came down from heaven." 42They said, "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?"43"Stop grumbling among yourselves," Jesus answered. 44"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. 46No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48I am the bread of life. 49Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."52Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"53Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever." 59He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

This was a perfect teaching moment for Jesus. He likens himself to the bread he’d fed them the day before and the manna their ancestors had been provoded. Are his references to bread and other references made throughout John Literal or Figurative?

When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." John 8:12 Literal or Figurative?

"I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture.’ John 10:9 Literal or Figuarative?

"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep." John 10:11 Literal or Figurative?

"I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener." John 15:1 Literal or Figurative?

"I am the bread of life." John 6:48 Literal or Figurative?



Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven." John 6:32. Literal or Figurative?

Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.  Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day." John 6:53-54. Literal or Figurative?

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them." John 6:44 Literal or Figurative?

"For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day." John 6:40
Literal or Figurative?


"Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never go thirsty," John 6:35b. Literal or Figurative?

 







 

 

 

 

 





 

 










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Old 10-30-2013, 11:02 AM
 
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My daily Bible reading was in the Gospel of John. I started thinking of the many things Jesus said and how much was figurative and how much was literal. In Chapter 6, Jesus has fed the 5,000. He then walks on the lake before getting in the boat. The next day the crowd catches up to him on the other side of the lake. Here The Bread of Life Discourse begins. (This is quoted from The Holy Bible. When I try to 'quote wrap' it, I get hundreds of [SIZE] and [LEFT] insertions. I quoted the NIV version. Here is their copyright statement:The NIV text may be quoted in any form (written, visual, electronic or audio), up to and inclusive of five hundred (500) verses without express written permission of the publisher, providing the verses do not amount to a complete book of the Bible nor do the verses quoted account for twenty-five percent (25%) or more of the total text of the work in which they are quoted.)
25When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, "Rabbi, when did you get here?"26Jesus answered, "Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval."28Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"29Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."30So they asked him, "What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’"32Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."34"Sir," they said, "always give us this bread."35Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day."41At this the Jews there began to grumble about him because he said, "I am the bread that came down from heaven." 42They said, "Is this not Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How can he now say, ‘I came down from heaven’?"43"Stop grumbling among yourselves," Jesus answered. 44"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. 46No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48I am the bread of life. 49Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."52Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"53Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever." 59He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

This was a perfect teaching moment for Jesus. He likens himself to the bread he’d fed them the day before and the manna their ancestors had been provoded. Are his references to bread and other references made throughout John Literal or Figurative?

When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." John 8:12 Literal or Figurative?

"I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture.’ John 10:9 Literal or Figuarative?

"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep." John 10:11 Literal or Figurative?

"I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener." John 15:1 Literal or Figurative?

"I am the bread of life." John 6:48 Literal or Figurative?



Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven." John 6:32. Literal or Figurative?

Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.  Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day." John 6:53-54. Literal or Figurative?

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them." John 6:44 Literal or Figurative?

"For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day." John 6:40
Literal or Figurative?


"Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never go thirsty," John 6:35b. Literal or Figurative?

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Based upon just those things you choose to quote, it is quite plain to me that Jesus is speaking metaphorically, as in parables?

The Gospel of John was written in response to the Docetism heresy, which asserted that Jesus was not flesh, but rather a phantasm, an illusion. John's primary purpose was to show Jesus as human, as flesh. He gets tired. He gets irritable. That does not mean that Jesus still did not speak in parables, just as He did consistently in the other Gospels.
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