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Old 11-01-2013, 06:49 PM
 
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The Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines scapegoat as, 2. a: One who bears the blame for others.
Transference is defined as: the act of moving something from one place to another.

Deuteronomy 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

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In Christianity one of the most profound instances of the transference of sin is found in Matthew 27:20-27 when Pilate asks those present if they want the innocent Jesus or the guilty Barabbas put to death. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

Most agree a person should be held responsible for the crimes they commit.

Is sin transference (scapegoating) correct today?
God transferred our sins to Jesus once and for all. There is no such thing as sin transference.
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:30 PM
 
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The Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines scapegoat as, 2. a: One who bears the blame for others.
Transference is defined as: the act of moving something from one place to another.
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God transferred our sins to Jesus once and for all.
There is no such thing as sin transference.
So, which is it?
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:48 PM
 
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So, which is it?
I'll believe God's word over man's word any day.
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Old 11-01-2013, 08:06 PM
 
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God transferred our sins to Jesus once and for all.
There is no such thing as sin transference.
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I'll believe God's word over man's word any day.
Me, too. As man talks out both sides of his mouth.
Never have quite come to terms with the double-enmity clause?


"Hostility towards sin; and the sinner."

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Old 11-01-2013, 10:08 PM
 
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As far as the east is from the the west, so far has He removed us from our sins. Psalm 103:12
Isn't it interesting that God was removing us from our sins even as far back as David's time a thousand years before Jesus. So if God was removing us from our sins then, what was the purpose of Jesus' penal atonement sacrifice? Can anyone see that the two theologies clash?

And please, none of this "You have to read it in context of Deuteronomy 23:4 and 14:5-12, Malachi 2:1 and 4:14 and 17, Isaiah 43:22-24, 55:14-25 and 62:17, Daniel 2:14-25 and Judges 23:11-12." How many Christians are capable of that kind of exegesis?? How many Christians have even heard of those books?

I am not saying Jesus' death was not to atone for our sins; what I am asking is how much of man-made theology entered into this concept based on the primitive tribal beliefs of someone having to die for the crimes of another--this whole vengeance thing of God having to take His wrath against man's sin out on His Son.
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Old 11-02-2013, 12:44 PM
 
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Jesus is not our scapegoat and the idea of scapegoat is a travesty on the idea of justice. Jesus changed the basis for judgement from the law of sin and death to the condition of the heart. That's not a free ticket to do harm to others or self, but a way of living in community and reestablishing community when it is violated. Repentance and forgiveness is the basis of that reestablishment.
The biggest problem is the primitive notion that justice requires punishment. It does not. It requires a change of heart in the violator and reparation as far as possible. It requires recognition of that change by the victim(s) and forgiveness. (a very important word)
This should be pasted in huge bold letters in every post by the ET'ers who repeatedly try to justify Evil and supreme injustice using their version of "justice."
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