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Old 11-04-2013, 10:13 AM
 
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Using the Bible to show the Bible is infallible is circular logic.

Jesus said it the best of those who are fault finders of his Word:
John 8:44-45
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your fatherís desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
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Old 11-04-2013, 10:21 AM
 
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Jesus said it the best of those who are fault finders of his Word:
John 8:44-45
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your fatherís desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
Nice move!

Do you realize a lot of that is allegoric?
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Old 11-04-2013, 02:52 PM
 
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Jehoiachin's Age at Royal Ascension
In the books II kings and II Chronicles we get two different ages for Jehoiachin when he ascended the throne of Jerusalem.
Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem. II Kings 24:8 (KJV)
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD. II Chronicles 36:9 (KJV)
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Old 11-05-2013, 10:56 AM
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Jehoiachin's Age at Royal Ascension
In the books II kings and II Chronicles we get two different ages for Jehoiachin when he ascended the throne of Jerusalem.
Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem. II Kings 24:8 (KJV)
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD. II Chronicles 36:9 (KJV)
This is a typical error of a scribe. But on the other hand it shows us that the scribes did not correct a mistake, they copied word for word, even if it is obviously wrong.
But what is right, eighteen years or eight? Maybe some one can find out through historical sources. I would say eighteen is right: 1) It is easier to change eighteen to eight than visa verse 2) an eighteen year old will likely do which is evil in the sight of the Lord than an eight year old. I have no problem with this "contradiction".
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:11 AM
 
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This is a typical error of a scribe. But on the other hand it shows us that the scribes did not correct a mistake, they copied word for word, even if it is obviously wrong.
But what is right, eighteen years or eight? Maybe some one can find out through historical sources. I would say eighteen is right: 1) It is easier to change eighteen to eight than visa verse 2) an eighteen year old will likely do which is evil in the sight of the Lord than an eight year old. I have no problem with this "contradiction".
The Bible has errors because it was written by men and then copied by many more men. And alterations were made along the way to fit a specific agenda.

Perhaps the original Sacred Oral Tradition was correct, but this was never written down.

In the end the errors are moot because the Bible still has a very useful Christian message.


The OT needs some heavy duty editing and purging of useless verses.
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:24 AM
 
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Men looking for excuses, search the scriptures.
Men looking to God , Pray.
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:26 AM
 
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Men looking for excuses, search the scriptures.
Men looking to God , Pray.
Great post!


We could get rid of all the Bibles in the universe and God would still be here. The Bible is just a book. Do not worship a book!
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:48 AM
 
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Most books of the Bible are re-writes or were heavily edited so they can jive with older verses in the OT.


Initially the stories were passed orally. However, Paul wrote letters to Christian Churches of the era. When the church received the manuscript it would be copied by hand and sometimes errors were added or subtracted. Once it was copied by hand by a scribe (which could be a slave) the letter was forwarded to another church.


The authors of the gospels are not known. The names Matthews, Luke, etc are pseudonyms. That explains why some facts don't match.
Nonsense. Do you have ANY documentation to support such a claim?
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Another big discrepancy is Justification by grace alone or grace plus works. However, in biblical times this was not an issue. And do not forget the two different Genesis accounts.
There is no discrepancy between grace alone or works (that's what grace + works is). James and Paul are in complete agreement.
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Does that mean that the NT is not inspired? The men that wrote were inspired and hence the NT is useful for worship and as a guide for Christians.
It's a shame then, that your church doesn't actually pay much attention to it, but instead relies on its own teachings.
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However, if God had written the book he would have done a much better job. The book is the creation of MEN.
Inspired men.
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But, that does not mean God does not exist. God is much more than the Bible. However, for the Sola Scriptura folks God is basically the Bible.
Please don't tell us what we believe. It's annoying. And it's not true.
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That is why they call it "The Word of God".
We call it the "word of God" because the apostle Paul called it "God-breathed".
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:51 AM
 
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There has been a lot of talk mainly among non believers about contradictions in the Bible. I am not familiar with all of the alleged contradictions, but they are definitely out there. The most reasonable conclusion that I could come to is that we don't fully understand some things due to multiple translations, and changing vernacular. Does anyone have any insight as to why there are thought to be contradictions in the Bible?
No real contradictions at all, just either translating issues or later errors in transcribing. When the Dead Sea Scrolls were found we had a copy if Isaiah a thousand years older than the one available until then. Spelling changes were the main issue. There are more old/ancient copies of the Bible than any other book of anywhere near that time an probably more than the others in total. No real verse changes anything if we look at what can be determined was the original reading. Additions? Sure and even though they seem to favor a theological position, they actually do NOT when examined in detail.

Those who find fault are usually pushing their own agenda and it is the only way to do so. BUT why should we listen to someone who doubts in their own interest. Questioning, yes, denigrating it, ignore them.
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Old 11-05-2013, 11:52 AM
 
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Great post!


We could get rid of all the Bibles in the universe and God would still be here. The Bible is just a book. Do not worship a book!
He would still be there, but you couldn't know Him. Kinda like atheists.
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