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Old 11-12-2013, 05:57 PM
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Gal 4:22-5:1
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.


Many have made error to their destruction when understanding this and especially when it says CAST OUT the bondwoman(natural Jerusalem under law)and her son for they are not the heirs. While this is truth that flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God. It is NOT truth that we should harm a hair on the NATURAL JEWISH People as so many have made error of in the past such as Hitler and all who have persecuted the Jews.
What this means is to cast them out of the OLD COVENANT OF BONDAGE, and bring them into the new covenant so they TOO by our mercy can be saved & born again. We in Christ are Esther the new covenant spiritual Jerusalem and we must not worry what man can do to them, by just going to them and telling them that God is going to save them if they just sit tight... That is not the truth, we must bring them into Christ before the Door is SHUT! For Jesus who is a Jew when he became flesh, said and told the Jews FIRST that you must be born again!! God has not forsaken His people for all of the disciples were Jews, but they too must renew their minds and receive the SPIRIT OF LIFE TO BE CLEANSED BY THE WORD.
God is going to deal with the false prophets who just befriend the Jews and just say PEACE, PEACE FOR GOD IS GOING TO SAVE YOU! If they did not have to receive Jesus to be saved, He would not have come to them FIRST!

Read this if you are hungry for the Bread of truth with MEAT! If you are just hungry for a sandwich with meat, you might as well make it HAM and leave the following verses for another day when you ain't got nothing better to do!

Ezek 13:1-14:1
13:1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD;
3 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!
4 O Israel, thy prophets are like the foxes in the deserts.
5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.
6 They have seen vanity and lying divination, saying, The LORD saith: and the LORD hath not sent them: and they have made others to hope that they would confirm the word.

7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, The LORD saith it; albeit I have not spoken?
8 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye have spoken vanity, and seen lies, therefore, behold, I am against you, saith the Lord GOD.
9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I am the Lord GOD.
10 Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter:
11 Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it.
12 Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it?

13 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it.
14 So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
15 Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it;

16 To wit, the prophets of Israel which prophesy concerning Jerusalem, and which see visions of peace for her, and there is no peace, saith the Lord GOD.
17 Likewise, thou son of man, set thy face against the daughters of thy people, which prophesy out of their own heart; and prophesy thou against them,
18 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe to the women that sew pillows to all armholes, and make kerchiefs upon the head of every stature to hunt souls! Will ye hunt the souls of my people, and will ye save the souls alive that come unto you?
19 And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?
20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear, and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

22 Because with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life:
23 Therefore ye shall see no more vanity, nor divine divinations: for I will deliver my people out of your hand: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
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Old 11-13-2013, 07:40 PM
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At this point we encounter once again the connection between the Gospel tradition and the basic elements of Pauline theology. If Jesus says in the eschatological discourse that the Gospel must first be proclaimed to the Gentiles and only then can the end come, we find exactly the same thing in Paul’s Letter to the Romans: “A hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles come in, and so all Israel will be saved."

The full number of the Gentiles and all Israel: In this formula we see the universalism of the divine salvific will. For our purposes, though, the important point is that Paul, too, recognizes an age of the Gentiles, which is the present and which must be fulfilled if God’s plan is to attain its goal.

The restlessness with which Paul journeyed to the nations, so as to bring the message to all and, if possible, to fulfill the mission within his own lifetime — this restlessness can only be explained if one is aware of the historical and eschatological significance of his exclamation: “Necessity is laid upon me. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel!” (1 Cor 9:16).

In this sense, the urgency of evangelization in the apostolic era was predicated not so much on the necessity for each individual to acquire knowledge of the Gospel in order to attain salvation, but rather on this grand conception of history: If the world was to arrive at its destiny, the Gospel had to be brought to all nations. At many stages in history, this sense of urgency has been markedly attenuated, but it has always revived, generating new dynamism for evangelization.
-- Pope Benedict in his book Jesus of Nazareth
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Old 11-17-2013, 04:36 AM
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Apostle Paul and his mediphore of Hagar who mothered Abrahams son Ishmael, kicked them out of the house of Abraham similar to kicking out the legacy of the priests and Moses laws which made religious church for Israel ....As the covenant of Jesus Christ would be the mediphore of the blessing of Isaac which only people of Israel could be saved , who would be blessed by God ..... Just like the mediphore of rejecting Moses legacy from Hebrews 5, where Melchisedec the High priest of Abraham was held up like Jesus Christ , where the Priesthood of Moses and these that came after Melchisedec was rejected by these early Chiristians for to justify the New Covanant of Christ which would of been blaspheme to many people.................... Even though Moses and Aaron the Priest and thousands of people from this legacy were saved by Jesus Christ after the cross
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Old 11-17-2013, 06:25 AM
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If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.

What greater way to do this than speak peace. It was the way Jesus met people.

He came and preached peace to those that that are near and those that are afar off.
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