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Old 11-28-2007, 12:26 PM
 
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For those who seek, are we, by definition...

"depraved?"

Taking gentle care in our asking...
I don't think so June; the author is talking about rejection, not one who is seeking IMO
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Old 11-28-2007, 12:29 PM
 
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You're avoiding the question, which was a very logical one based on what you quoted... context or no context, the words are pretty clear! I'm a non-Christian, as you probably know, and my religion certainly doesn't hate G-d. As for concentrating on that one sentence, there's a reason - because it stands out among the others, and is clearly inflammatory & illogical.
Whatever;
Ask the minister that wrote it, I don't have the energy or time to waste trying to convince anyone of anything. or change their though process, If you do you do if you don't you don't. If you're a non-Christian why do you even care what this minister says ??
your post was a delayed reaction?
here's some answers if you would like the wikipedia version
Total depravity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 11-14-2008, 05:10 AM
 
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Your comments have proved his point.
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Old 02-28-2010, 08:52 AM
 
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i never grew up a christian, i heard about the ten commandments blah blah, i guess i went to church as a child a few times? dont even remember, i remember i had to stay with the grownups those few times, i always hated my life growing up, i thought if there was a god he didnt love me or care for me becuase of how abusive or just all the bad things that happen to me even tho i seem to keep trying to do good to others (i use to wonder why i did that, it really hurt me), later in life i feel like he brought me to him (im 25 yrs old), i feel like he teaches me, i dont go to anybody with questions, just god.. im really shy, i try not to be, i go to church now as much as i can, i feel like god always has something to teach me at church) so what was my problem? i was never bragging, i was never said i hated god, i didnt even believe he exhisted, how could i? most people get to be brought up with that life style, or maybe im over thinking it? my step mom was strict, always afraid of her, but her words made me sad, i always felt like i was a piece of crap, and didnt deserve to be born. i know i use to say if god existed bad things wouldnt happen to good people. lol i dont say that no more now, but i use to.
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Old 02-28-2010, 10:18 AM
 
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I know without doubt my mind was depraved when i believed eternal torment was the destiny of those who did not agree with the christian interpretation of the bible .
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Old 02-28-2010, 10:55 AM
 
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I can't believe the depravity of reviving a badly written 3 year old thread................
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Old 02-28-2010, 03:06 PM
 
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i never grew up a christian, i heard about the ten commandments blah blah, i guess i went to church as a child a few times? dont even remember, i remember i had to stay with the grownups those few times, i always hated my life growing up, i thought if there was a god he didnt love me or care for me becuase of how abusive or just all the bad things that happen to me even tho i seem to keep trying to do good to others (i use to wonder why i did that, it really hurt me), later in life i feel like he brought me to him (im 25 yrs old), i feel like he teaches me, i dont go to anybody with questions, just god.. im really shy, i try not to be, i go to church now as much as i can, i feel like god always has something to teach me at church) so what was my problem? i was never bragging, i was never said i hated god, i didnt even believe he exhisted, how could i? most people get to be brought up with that life style, or maybe im over thinking it? my step mom was strict, always afraid of her, but her words made me sad, i always felt like i was a piece of crap, and didnt deserve to be born. i know i use to say if god existed bad things wouldnt happen to good people. lol i dont say that no more now, but i use to.
Hello and welcome to the forum

What we learn starting at childhood and continuing over our lives, all our experiences shapes the people that we become and affects our views of other people and of life. It would seem that you experienced a less than loving childhood. I feel that we all, at some stage, experience a lack of love from people or lack of understanding and for me it has taught me to appreciate that when God planted the tree of the "knowledge of good and evil" it is a symbol of life, we experience good and evil -- for some they are crushed by the evil, for some they overcome the evil with good, and others do not think about it too much. Life is unfair, some seem to not get their fair share of hardships and others seem to get a life of hardships and other get equal shares of both.

All I can say is continue to trust in God. Keep seeking.

Life is about growing, developing and learning.
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Old 03-01-2010, 10:50 AM
 
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Wow, I think there must be a lot of people who suffer from having a depraved mind. Thank u the the OP for approaching this subject and having scriptural references too.
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Old 03-26-2011, 10:13 PM
 
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Be careful to judge. You're setting yourself up. The purpose of Christianity is to save souls, not to alienate or condemn.
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Old 03-27-2011, 07:59 AM
 
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Characteristics of a Depraved Mind "
Romans1:29
The first several of the characteristics and actions Paul describes here in verses 29-32 are of a general nature followed by more specific sins. It is important to note that a person does not have all of these characteristics to demonstrate they have a depraved mind. One or two is sufficient,

qeostugei'" (theostugeis)- God haters. This is a simple compound word combining "God" and "hateful." While we might want to reserve this just for the person that defiantly shakes their fist at God, the truth is that this is the general underlying characteristic of the non-Christian. They willing suppressed the truth God revealed to them because they hate Him and all that characterizes Him because it leaves them guilty. "The mind that is set on the flesh is hostile toward God" (Rom. 8:7). They hate His holiness, because it reveals their unholiness. They hate His goodness because it reveals their evil. They hate His justice because it leaves them responsible and condemned. They hate His sovereignty because it reveals their dependence. They even hate His grace & mercy because it excludes their own efforts. The proof of this hatred of God is both the false religions and cults that create gods to man's own liking, and the blood of Christian martyrs shed throughout the centuries.

31 ajsunevtou" (asunetous) - without understanding. This same word was used in verse 21 to describe what happens to the state of the heart when God is not properly honored and thanked. It becomes "darkened" or "without understanding." This is not a reflection on their intelligence itself, for they can be extremely smart people, but rather on their ability to understanding the things of God. To put it bluntly, in the area of morality they are unintelligent. That is the reason why so many people are accepting of and will even argue for what is very clearly moral evil such as abortion, euthanasia, pornography, prostitution and homosexuality. Their rejection of God and His standards results in moral stupidity.
uJperhfavnou" (huperaphanous) - arrogance, proud. As already stated back in verse 22, though they suppressed the knowledge of God and became futile in their speculations and had their foolish hearts darkened, yet they professed to be wise. Such is the arrogant pride of the unsaved. Though they do not understand the things of God, they have an inflated opinion of themselves and look down on others. They are haughty. Their error is serious because God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble (1 Pet. 5:5).

The consequence of turning from God and His standards is a spiral downward into utter depravity. Yet, there is still hope for the power of sin is broken in Jesus Christ. Man can be justified through faith in Jesus Christ and change and live in godliness and righteousness.
Which path are you on? The spiral up to holiness, or the spiral down into depravity?
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Unrighteousness in Depraved Minds
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Pastor Scott L. Harris
The pastor has translated adokimos as "depraved". That's a poor translation.


http://books.google.com.au/books?id=...okimos&f=false

96. (adokimos)

Original Word: ἀδόκιμος, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: adokimos
Phonetic Spelling: (ad-ok'-ee-mos)
Short Definition: failing to pass the test
Definition: failing to pass the test, unapproved, counterfeit.


Original Word: δόκιμος, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: dokimos
Phonetic Spelling: (dok'-ee-mos)
Short Definition: approved, acceptable
Definition: approved, acceptable, tried.

My understanding of Romans 1 is that Paul was wrtiing about the gentiles in Rome (or in Corinth -where he was writing from) who had been converted to his new 'religion' but had fallen away and reverted back to their previous religion - worshipping the local pagan fertility gods.

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