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Old 05-10-2008, 10:26 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Is this addressed to me, Freedom? God bless.
Hi Shana,

I was addressing Dayofthelord, and his way of avoiding the substance of your posts by labeling and putting you in a box that he can later file on a shelf in order to avoid what you are sharing with him.


godspeed,

freedom
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:26 PM
 
Location: NC
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Yes, you did hide it. Not with just me, but many other posters also. I had one poster to ask me privately to see what I could do with you. This person was highly disturbed by what you are doing here, and so am I. Like I said, if you were a true, Bible believing, born again Christian filled with the good works of the Holy Spirit, you would be letting everyone know right up front about it. I do. You beat around the bush....about everything.
No, Dayofthe Lord, this is not true. I have never hidden who I am here on the boards. Who are the many other posters that I have hidden who I am from? Would they please come forward or are they hiding? I beat around the bush about everything? Really? How do you know this to be true, DayoftheLord?

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I'm done for this evening, but I would like to leave this with you. I don't want you quoting anything or anyone. I want a straight answer. Enough is enough.
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How do you explain away all of the scriptures in the Bible concerning Hell? Are you saying that Jesus lied when He spoke about the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 19? This was spoken straight from Jesus Christ's lips. Are you going to try and tell me that this was "just a story"? Don't waste your breath - Jesus was trying His very level best to strongly express that the story happened, that hell is for eternity, that the rich man was NEVER getting out.
Where did Jesus say the rich man was never getting out of hell in this parable, DayoftheLord? I don't believe that Jesus lied about anything. He did use parables, however, to teach. I believe that many will experience hell. I don't believe that the scriptures teach that this is an eternal condition.

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And it will happen a trillion more times because people refuse and deny Jesus. Are you willing to risk an eternity in hell to prove a point or that you are just, right, right, right? How utterly ridiculous is that? Humble yourself and ask God to direct you with your thoughts, Shana, because they are not your own.
Again, I am sharing a belief and the reasons for this belief. Are you just right, right, right, DayoftheLord? I have not made the accusations that you have made about me. I have tried to share my belief and have a discussion but many seem to be offended if someone shares something that they disagree with or don't believe. These are discussion forums.
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I will find every single reference in the Bible on hell and bring it on next time.
Okay. I am not here to fight with you but I will share my belief and the reasons for this belief. God bless you.
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:27 PM
 
Location: NC
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Hi Shana,

I was addressing Dayofthelord, and his way of avoiding the substance of your posts by labeling and putting you in a box that he can later file on a shelf in order to avoid what you are sharing with him.


godspeed,

freedom
Okay, thanks Freedom. God bless.
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:28 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Once again, Huh???!!! I guess whatever size it takes for you to climb into? Man, I'm stumped. Is there a Universalist on-line convention or something?
As I just posted to Shana, you are not addressing the substance, just looking for a way to classify and box up all neat and tidy according to your understanding.

You can label me anything you like, unfortunately it will not increase your knowledge of truth.

godspeed,


freedom
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Hot-Houston Texas
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I don't agree with what Shana believes, but I don't think she has ever tried to hide it from anyone. I thought everyone knew what she believes. And while I don't agree with her, I respect her right to say what she believes. And she has always been kind, nice and respectful to others.
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:33 PM
 
Location: NC
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Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary -
Reconcile
Rec"on*cile`\ (-s?l`), v. t. [imp. & p. p. Reconciled (-s?ld`); p. pr. & vb. n. Reconciling.] [F. r['e]concilier, L. reconciliare; pref. re- re- + conciliare to bring together, to unite. See Conciliate.]

1. To cause to be friendly again; to conciliate anew; to restore to friendship; to bring back to harmony; to cause to be no longer at variance; as, to reconcile persons who have quarreled.

Propitious now and reconciled by prayer. --Dryden.

The church [if defiled] is interdicted till it be reconciled [i.e., restored to sanctity] by the bishop. --Chaucer.

We pray you . . . be ye reconciled to God. --2 Cor. v. 20.

2. To bring to acquiescence, content, or quiet submission; as, to reconcile one's self to affictions.

3. To make consistent or congruous; to bring to agreement or suitableness; -- followed by with or to.

The great men among the ancients understood how to reconcile manual labor with affairs of state. --Locke.

Some figures monstrous and misshaped appear, Considered singly, or beheld too near; Which, but proportioned to their light or place, Due distance reconciles to form and grace. --Pope.

4. To adjust; to settle; as, to reconcile differences.

Syn: To reunite; conciliate; placate; propitiate; pacify; appease.


Also, is there any response to this, DayoftheLord. Just wondering....God bless.
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:34 PM
 
Location: NC
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I don't agree with what Shana believes, but I don't think she has ever tried to hide it from anyone. I thought everyone knew what she believes. And while I don't agree with her, I respect her right to say what she believes. And she has always been kind, nice and respectful to others.
Thanks, ILNC. God bless.
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Old 05-10-2008, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Texas
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......Any scripture can be taken out of context and twisted until it sounds pleasant or ugly, however the twister wants to present it. Hell is not pleasant, and it is very real.
I see you invoke the blessed "H" word here. If anyone cares to get to the bottom of this, then study what Sheol/Hades is first. You will find from cover to cover it is interchangeable with 'the grave' since it is freely translated both ways. It means the generic state of death. All living who die go to Sheol/Hades. Paul concerning the resurrection quotes from the OT "Sheol/Hades (Hell/Grave), where is your victory?"

This is an EASY study and if you go strictly from the Hebrew and Greek. If you don't read those languages then just use a reliable concordance or lexicon and look for the root meaning and NOT commentators telling you what it really means (!). Be advised that the Strong's was (admittedly) written in conjunction w/the King James and will always include the KJV conclusion after the real meaning. A simple understanding of this will let you read what's written, not the twisted interpretations of hell fire theologians.

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There IS consequences to denying God,
Well, yes there are...

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and eternal damnation is it.
Well no it's not...

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This is made quite clear over and over in the Bible.
Actually, starting in Genesis 3 you can see that the wages of sin is death. Eternal torment is never mentioned in the entire sin/consequence chapter.

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I am quite capable of "refuting", as you put it, any twisted scripture. God works through His faithful to insure that it is done quickly and precisely, so as to not "trip up" or cause those searching to stumble.
Well, as you said
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......Any scripture can be taken out of context and twisted until it sounds pleasant or ugly, however the twister wants to present it.
blessings,
- Byron

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Old 05-10-2008, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I don't agree with what Shana believes, but I don't think she has ever tried to hide it from anyone. I thought everyone knew what she believes. And while I don't agree with her, I respect her right to say what she believes. And she has always been kind, nice and respectful to others.
That's right ILNC. If DOTL wants to be taken seriously they need to consider that a frequent open poster (Shana) has never been secretive as DOTL is claiming and it is obvious that she is not part of some secretive cult

Seems to me that the robotic/automatic/knee jerk/paranoid answers are coming from someone other than Shana.

blessings,
- Byron

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Old 05-10-2008, 11:10 PM
 
Location: NC
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Hi, I went back through the posts and the only thing that I can see where DOTL may have come to the conclusion that I was trying to hide something is when he or she posted this:

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Oh my heavenly stars! WORLD CITIZEN....you are so right. Shana you are so wrong. You need to stop what you are doing, right now!! All the atheists on this board are doing less damage than you. You have taken holy scriptures and twisted them. We are warned of false prophets and prophecy, and Joseph Smith and his falsehood is written all over you. No one has to tell me you're a Mormon. Oh wait, could be the even fluffier version - Universalist.
I thought the DOTL was trying to be funny and knew that I was a Universalist (Christian Universalist) because I have been open about this on the boards, so I did not respond. I thought that he or she meant that a Universalist was a fluffier version of a Mormon which was a little confusing to me. Anyway, I hope that everyone realizes that I have not been trying to hide the fact that I am a Christian Universalist (Universalist Christian, Restorationist, Reconciliationist-all the same) God bless.
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