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Old 05-15-2008, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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I sincerely don't understand this... and wonder what your reasoning or source is?? The way I am thinking is this:

2 Cor. 3:17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect[a] the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

There's the scripture that says when we see Him we shall be like He is. Plus, we all have the same salvation - we will all see Jesus perfectly on that day.

Also, there is no shadow of turning with God. There's no darkness in light whatsoever.

How could we who are in the manifest presence of God... seeing His face fully... and all having the same Spirit and salvation... with no darkness whatsoever mixedwith the Spriit of the Lord who is Light... shine with varying degrees of light in the presence of the Lord?? We are saved completely by grace... the same grace. I think of us as all the same and all equal in Jesus... by virtue of the Spirit.

I'm not saying you're wrong... I just never of anything like varying shades or degrees of glory. I thought it was total 100% Light or total 100% darkness.... because dark and light don't mix...and wil be complete separated at the end. Can you please share more of your thoughts so I can consider them in light of scripture as best I can understand your pov???

Grace and peace.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Hbr 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

1Cr 15:40 [There are] also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another.


1Cr 15:41 [There is] one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for [one] star differeth from [another] star in glory.


1Cr 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

There is also a process of translation/transfiguration that Enoch, Moses, Elijah, John the beloved and others experienced, where their physical bodies were Quickened by the Spirit and made divine, even the divine nature that Peter spoke of.
Where death was overcome, even the last enemy to be overcome.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 05-15-2008, 09:19 AM
 
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Hi freedom,

Thank you so much for your answer. I am still seeing it in a bit of a different way - due to the one glory of the same body... and glorified by God's 100% grace. However, I've never contemplated varying levels of glory in glorification. It runs counter to how I see God treating everyone equally... and paying everyone the same for their labors... but maybe there's something I don't know yet never having heard or contemplated a different answer. I'll pray about it and seek the Lord, the Word, further. Thanks again for sharing your scriptures and pov.

Grace and peace,

LeeLee
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Old 05-15-2008, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Hi freedom,

Thank you so much for your answer. I am still seeing it in a bit of a different way - due to the one glory of the same body... and glorified by God's 100% grace. However, I've never contemplated varying levels of glory in glorification. It runs counter to how I see God treating everyone equally... and paying everyone the same for their labors... but maybe there's something I don't know yet never having heard or contemplated a different answer. I'll pray about it and seek the Lord, the Word, further. Thanks again for sharing your scriptures and pov.

Grace and peace,

LeeLee
You are most welcome.

Another way of seeing it, is that you inherit the kingdom that you obey. Or not everyone that graduates gets the same job or the same accolade, it is based on how we chose to live love, forgiveness, etc...

We are only forgiven if we forgive. We are still salvaged, yet we are not glorified at the same inheritance as one who has forgiven all of his brothers/sisters debts.

Another example is crowns, yet crowns are only in the highest level of God's kingdom. The Kingdom of God, is the highest. It is different than the kingdom of heaven (expansion). We are actually in the kingdom of heaven right now to a degree, this is our education level of His kingdom.

Our mansion is according to our heed and diligence (desire) to the word.

Otherwise all would sit at the right and the left hand of glory. Which not even Jesus was able to give, only the Father in heaven. And God's system is based on ability and desire to love, us to Him and to our fellow man.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 05-16-2008, 02:41 PM
 
Location: NC
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Hi Freedom, I understand what you are saying as far as the different degrees of glory and I can see it as it relates to the kingdom and the different roles, responsibilities, ect. that believers will have ( I am speaking of the future). We will rule and reign with Him, but I also believe that beyond that, that there will be time when God will be all in all. All rule, power, and authority will be abolished and when this time comes, He will be all things to each and everyone. No one will be lacking or having a different degree of glory. (except Jesus Christ/God). I believe that all differentiation may cease at that time, when time ceases, when the ages are through. Just some thoughts. God bless.

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Old 05-18-2008, 01:57 PM
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Early Christian documents repeatedly state that the unpardonable sin is to mock/ disregard someone speaking in the Holy Spirit.

From the Didache of the Apostles:

"And you shall not tempt or dispute with any prophet who speaks in the Spirit; for every sin shall be forgiven, but this sin shall not be forgiven"
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Old 05-18-2008, 02:00 PM
 
Location: southern california
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there is a few of them.
harming kids is way up there on the list.
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Old 05-19-2008, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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"Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord." (2 Cor 3:17-18)

As a result of, out from one lesser degree of glory so entering into a greater glory.

"So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body." (1 Cor 15:42-44)

God and ourselves sow. We reap more than we sow. This is progressing from an inglorious handful of seeds to splendid bushels at harvest. If I am praised for sharing my expertise I may think I know a lot; but, if I recognize my ignorance and sow in my darkness, my awareness increases, raised into greater light. If I pick up a child and spin him around he may be impressed with my strength; but, if I get a hold of something I can barely lift, something that I am weak before and exercise, sowing in my weakness, I will be raised in strength. These are out of lesser glory into greater glory. Perhaps I am considered an upright and righteous man; yet, rather than praise myself in my own mind walking in pride, if I examine myself in the light of the presence of God manifesting the excellencies of His own nature, then I am motivated to turn from the rags of my own righteousness. Rather than trumpeting my superiority I sow the Divine nature into my corruption to be raised into His incorruptible life.
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Old 05-21-2008, 06:04 PM
 
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Continual rejection of the Holy Spiritís prompting us to trust in "Jesus Christ" and accepting "Jesus Christ" as our "Lord" and as our "Savior" is the unpardonable blasphemy.
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Old 05-21-2008, 09:02 PM
 
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Continual rejection of the Holy Spiritís prompting us to trust in "Jesus Christ" and accepting "Jesus Christ" as our "Lord" and as our "Savior" is the unpardonable blasphemy.
What is it to trust in Jesus Christ?

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 10-03-2008, 12:40 PM
 
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To be given the grace to have the revelation of Jesus Christ come inside one's self by the power of the Holy Spirit - not an act of human will, intellect, emotion, or decision. What occurs does not occur at the level of soul.

Salvation is Spirit birthing spirit and this is the revelation of Jesus Christ and new birth.

"Trust" is a spiritual fruit of the Holy Spirit by God's Sovereign grace.

"Trust" at this level of salvation is not humanly possible. It requires decisive Divine Intervention: an act of God by 100% grace in God's 100% Sovereignty.
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