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Yes ... based on the compilation of multiple verses found in the Bible.
Simply the word trinity is a coined word, which in scriptures the closest word for trinity used then was the word deity. Colossians 2:9
Yes indeed! COL 2:9 "For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." All that we can know of God while in our body can only be found in Christ not apart from Him because the Word is God and the Word came to us in bodily form so that what He knew of God in that form can also be know by us because we also are in bodily form. He shows us the Father within Him.
Gods thoughts became the Word when He spoke and thus Christ is known as the beginning of creation not because He did not always exist as God's thoughts but because He was manifest when God spoke His thoughts in the beginning of time.
Is belief in the (T)trinity an necessary part of Christian doctrine?
No it most certainly is not required to be a Christian,
In my personal opinion a Christian is any person who accepts Jesus Christ as the Messiah and who does their best to put his teachings into practice.
Therefore even a person who identifies as a different religion could be classified as a Christian.
To further add to the discussion I actually believe the Trinity is false,
rather Jesus, the Father, and Holy Spirit are all separate entities, and perhaps some not equal to the other/s.
Is belief in the (T)trinity an necessary part of Christian doctrine?
You would really need to define Christian first. Catholics, Mormons, JW's, Unitarians, SDA's and even some Protestants don't agree with one another. I'm glad you didn't ask a potential bombshell ?, Can I be a Christian and not believe the Trinity?
Are God, Jesus, and The Holy Spirit "one in being and person" or are they "one in purpose and agreement" much as a husband and wife are said to be one?
I consider that the closest to the truth of the early Christians was Sabellius . . . but at that time they did not have the benefit of our modern knowledge of consciousness. Consequently Sabellianism was considered heresy. With the knowledge of consciousness as the essence of personhood . . . his modalities become more understandable. God the Father is pure Spirit (pure consciousness). His consciousness IS the Holy Spirit. Human consciousness (Spirit) was devoid of God's consciousness (Holy Spirit) until Jesus. Jesus produced God's consciousness within His human consciousness. Thus the second "mode" of God's Holy Spirit was manifest in a human consciousness within a human body . . . (what we are supposed to produce). When He died and was reborn as Spirit . . . His human consciousness (Holy Spirit) joined the collective human consciousness as the Comforter and was made available to us all. That is the third "mode" of God's consciousness . . . the Comforter. In all three "modes" it is God's consciousness . . . but they perform different roles.
Is belief in the (T)trinity an necessary part of Christian doctrine?
Yes and it could be a grave error not to believe in the doctrine , as Jesus said in Revelations 13 :18................... that people with the number of the beast will not have eternal life , as in verse 18 says ..Here is wisdom ..Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast , for it is the number of a man , and his number is Six hundred and threescore and six ``..............., which is 666..... See the number of man is 6 when man rejects God then by default the beast devil become a god to man ..... So if man rejects the Father God then 6 of the number of man substitutes Father God , just also if man rejects Son of God Jesus , then man number 6 substitutes Son Jesus , just also if man rejects Holy Spirit of God , then man number 6 substitutes Holy Spirit of God ................... As there are 3 in the trinity 333 , where as is man rejects all of God then by default the beast become God in unity with man which is 666..... See these are condition which those who believe in Jesus and keep His Words
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Is belief in the (T)trinity an necessary part of Christian doctrine?
Necessary? for what? Salvation? If that's the question then no... because it is a concept that requires a maturity of faith. However, It is true to say, the Trinity is foundational to Christian Theology. It is also true to say, for a new seeker, there are more important things to know, that will provide for your salvation.
You are not required to believe in the Trinity, to be a Christian. We all grow in faith by the increasing presence of the Holy Spirit.
Some Christians claim Jesus was an archangel
Some Christians claim Jesus was half man, half God
Some Christians claim Jesus was divine, but inferior to God
Some Christians claim Jesus was both fully God and fully man, God incarnate
Some Christians claim Jesus was a manifestation of God, a prophet
Some Christians claim Jesus was a "wise man"
Some Christians claim Jesus was a "great man"
Even non Christians recognize Jesus
Hindus say Jesus was a wise man
Buddhists say Jesus was an enlightened man
Muslims say Jesus was a prophet
Jews say Jesus was a Jewish man
I will never believe I am calling a mere man, a wise man, a great man, a prophet, a half man half God, an archangel, a subordinate of God, or a manifestation of God, as my Lord and Savior.
Are God, Jesus, and The Holy Spirit "one in being and person" or are they "one in purpose and agreement" much as a husband and wife are said to be one?
Well Jesus gave the answer in John 17 and even the spurious John 5:7 actually shows they are not one in nature or identity, in context.
Both show it is one in will and purpose. Most don't like that.
Well Jesus gave the answer in John 17 and even the spurious John 5:7 actually shows they are not one in nature or identity, in context.
Both show it is one in will and purpose. Most don't like that.
When Jesus prayed his followers be ' one ' as he and his Father are one, Jesus was definitely Not praying they all be God.
- John 17 vs 11,21-23
Jesus did Not manifest or declare his own name, but rather Jesus manifested and declared his Father's name.
- John 17 vs 6,26
Whose name did Jesus say should be hallowed, sanctified, held as sacred ?______
Whose name did Jesus keep his followers in ?_________- John 17 v 12 A.
Jesus, as a pre-human, was ' with ' his Father according to John 17 v 5 B. Does Not say Jesus was Father.
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