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Old 11-24-2013, 12:23 AM
 
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One of my favorite books of the bible is Proverbs.
In Proverbs 8 an entity speaks and is called a She.
She claims to be the First of Yahweh's works, Who is she?

I have my own speculations,
however I would like to hear other peoples opinions on theological matters,
so I will not offer my opinions until a few people have responded.
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Old 11-24-2013, 12:43 AM
 
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One of my favorite books of the bible is Proverbs.
In Proverbs 8 an entity speaks and is called a She.
She claims to be the First of Yahweh's works, Who is she?

I have my own speculations,
however I would like to hear other peoples opinions on theological matters,
so I will not offer my opinions until a few people have responded.
Proverbs 8:22-31 are the Arian go to, proof text verses.
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Old 11-24-2013, 01:04 AM
 
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Proverbs 8:22-31 are the Arian go to, proof text verses.
That's good to know,
care to speculate who is speaking?
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Old 11-24-2013, 02:58 AM
 
Location: In Sticky San Antonio TX
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I would think the author (Solomon) through G-d is personifying Wisdom, nothing more. Solomon, having been the wisest of men (and a great writer/poet, hence much of Proverbs and Ecclesiastes) would have written about the 'roots' of what was bestowed upon him, and in asking G-d for the same, received this gift and so much more.
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Old 11-24-2013, 04:31 AM
 
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She is a metaphor for wisdom of God , just like people who call their car a she
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:03 PM
 
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I belive she is the Holy Spirit, the Angel Sophia.
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:04 PM
 
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One of my favorite books of the bible is Proverbs.
In Proverbs 8 an entity speaks and is called a She.
She claims to be the First of Yahweh's works, Who is she?
According to gospel writer John the first of Yahweh's works is Jesus according to Revelation 1 v 5; 3 v 14 B

The KJV Bible uses the pronoun ' she ' instead of the neuter ' it ' for wisdom personified.

As Proverbs 8 v 22 says LORD [ Yahweh ] produced ' me ' [person of Jesus] as the beginning of his way. [ Rev. 3 v 14 ]
Before God sending Jesus to earth verse 30 mentions the one personified as wisdom as one rejoicing before God daily.
And verse 31 saying being especially fond of the sons of men. Wisdom itself could not rejoice or show fondness.
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:10 PM
 
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According to gospel writer John the first of Yahweh's works is Jesus according to Revelation 1 v 5; 3 v 14 B

The KJV Bible uses the pronoun ' she ' instead of the neuter ' it ' for wisdom personified.

As Proverbs 8 v 22 says LORD [ Yahweh ] produced ' me ' [person of Jesus] as the beginning of his way. [ Rev. 3 v 14 ]
Before God sending Jesus to earth verse 30 mentions the one personified as wisdom as one rejoicing before God daily.
And verse 31 saying being especially fond of the sons of men. Wisdom itself could not rejoice or show fondness.
Does the idea of Jesus being created first originate in the New Testament or the Old Testament?
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Old 11-24-2013, 03:55 PM
 
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Does the idea of Jesus being created first originate in the New Testament or the Old Testament?
' Creator ' is singular. The ' us ' of Genesis 1 v 26 would indicate another. Since Creator is singular, then the other person would appear to be a creation of the singular Creator.

The one speaking at Proverbs 8 v 22 is said to be created.

What do you think of the question at Proverbs 30 v 4 B, about who established the ends of the earth, what is his name, and what is his son's name..... ?
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Old 11-24-2013, 04:24 PM
 
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Good, yes, Wisdom IS "the Word," "the Way," "the Truth," The message Jesus brought about how to live with concern for the well being of all.
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