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Old 12-26-2013, 08:22 AM
 
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It is not referring to those who have already died in unbelief, it refers to those who are living at that time.


All those who worked at the vineyard were saved (the first workers, and last workers), even those who worked only for a little while, but it says nothing about those who did not work at all.
But it does, we were all there, some of us showed up early while others of us showed up late. It says nothing about some not working.
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Old 12-26-2013, 08:49 AM
 
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But it does, we were all there, some of us showed up early while others of us showed up late. It says nothing about some not working.
It says nothing about those who did not work at all, it only talks about those who worked. Jesus told this parable as a response to Peters question about their rewards since he considered himself as a worker who worked all day. The parable has nothing to do with UR. Read the parable of the wedding if you think everyone is always included in everything.
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:03 AM
 
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It says nothing about those who did not work at all, it only talks about those who worked. Jesus told this parable as a response to Peters question about their rewards since he considered himself as a worker who worked all day. The parable has nothing to do with UR. Read the parable of the wedding if you think everyone is always included in everything.
Correct as anyone who shows up for work, but does no work, gets no pay.
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:09 AM
 
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It says nothing about those who did not work at all, it only talks about those who worked. Jesus told this parable as a response to Peters question about their rewards since he considered himself as a worker who worked all day. The parable has nothing to do with UR. Read the parable of the wedding if you think everyone is always included in everything.
You are presuming this by taking it literal and not understanding it is a parable. It is not about men picking grapes getting the same pay as those who were hired late in the day.It is also not about going to heaven.
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:15 AM
 
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Correct as anyone who shows up for work, but does no work, gets no pay.
Who are the first and last?. Same question goes to Finn Jarber.
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:17 AM
 
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It says nothing about those who did not work at all, it only talks about those who worked. Jesus told this parable as a response to Peters question about their rewards since he considered himself as a worker who worked all day. The parable has nothing to do with UR. Read the parable of the wedding if you think everyone is always included in everything.
It says nothing about some workers looking for work not working.
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:32 AM
 
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Obviously, this would make too much sense, but if all are to be saved, why did God bother sending His son to die?
For the moment, I'll go along with the assumption that God sent Jesus to die. If that was necessary to save people, how does all people benefiting from it make it less necessary than just a few benefiting?
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:32 AM
 
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You are presuming this by taking it literal and not understanding it is a parable. It is not about men picking grapes getting the same pay as those who were hired late in the day.It is also not about going to heaven.
I said it was a parable, because I know it is a parable, and I didn't say anything about grapes, or heaven. It is about salvation. You are just as saved if you were saved at age of 18, and served God all your life, as someone who rejected God for 80 years, but was saved days before dying.
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:36 AM
 
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It says nothing about some workers looking for work not working.
No, it says nothing about anyone looking for work. It says what it says, and doesn't say what it doesn't say. It says nothing about those who did not work at all. It is a parable about those who did work. It also says nothing about the space shuttle, or the mighty United States of America.

It says what is says, no more, no less.
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:39 AM
 
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No, it says nothing about anyone looking for work. It says what it says, and doesn't say what it doesn't say. It says nothing about those who did not work at all. It is a parable about those who did work. It also says nothing about the space shuttle, or the mighty United States of America.

It says what is says, no more, no less.
You obviously have no idea who the workers represent and worse still who represents the workers. Hint hint. Can you tell us who the first and last are?.
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