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I never said any of those people you named were corrupt and evil. I said there were lying scribes and their words found in the scripture. Jesus said the same thing. Do you not believe him?
No, you said the Bible was put together by corrupt and evil men. Well, guess what, it was men like John, Paul. Peter, Luke etc who put it together.
I think this one is easy to reconcile. God never intended for Abraham to sacrifice his child. Those in Judah at the time did have that in their hearts.
You believe that God told Abraham to do something God didn't want Abraham to do? Why would God do that?
Universalists do not slam all of the scriptures. They simply understand that one must have the leading of the Holy Spirit to know how to divide truth from lies. Did not Jesus warn of lying scribes and false prophets? Did Jesus ever mention holding the BIBLE up as the TRUTH? NO! There was no BIBLE when Jesus was in the world. Do you understand that? Of course your pastor will tell you in a militant voice that the BIBLE is the final authority of all matters of faith and truth and he'll pound it and scream about hell fire.... how else can he have power over people?
You made a lot of false claims there. When you say the Bible was written by corrupt and evil people, you are slamming it. I can't think of a worse way to slam it. No, my pastor has not spoken in suck voice, and he has not made such claims and he has not attempted to have power over anyone. There is a lot of bitter resentment in your comments.
In other words because you can't face the reality of this not being able to be answered, you're more content to ignore it ... hoping that by kangaroo-ing around with non-answer answers you can hope that you can make it go away.
Trettep is probably like many UR's who started out as ET believers but abandoned the belief in ET when the evidence against it, biblical and otherwise, became overwhelming.
A strong biblical case can be made in support of UR and, imo most importantly, it is in perfect harmony with the nature of the God who is love.
It is comments like this which makes it impossible for fundamentalists to know God by what He has "written in our hearts." The reliance on the words "written in ink" by ignorant primitives corrupts any connection with God and the Comforter (Holy Spirit) that we have been told "teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie."
2 Corinthians 3:14-17
But their minds were blinded: (Blind minds=ignorant) for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord,(Christ) the vail shall be taken away.
17Now the Lord is that Spirit: (Holy Spirit) and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
1 John 2:27 (King James Version)
27But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him.
2 Corinthians 3: 2-6 (King James Version)
2Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
3Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
4And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
5Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
It was that very same Holy Spirit which guided the hands of the authors of the Bible.
You can stop with the guiding hands nonsense. Inspiration is inspiration . . . NOT dictation or automatic writing. It absolutely requires interpretation using the existing knowledge and beliefs of the receiver of the inspirations. I have shown a number of times the problems that lack of valid knowledge creates for receivers interpreting their inspirations, visions or actual events. You can retain your refusal to acknowledge this undeniable feature of human cognition . . . but it will not make it true.
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Can you share few Spiritual truths (useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness) which cannot be found "in ink".
For example: Never EVER bash anyone's baby's head against rocks for any reason. Never EVER rape anyone for any reason. Never EVER wipe out entire families of men, women and children for any reason. Never EVER save the virgins of others and take them to be your sex slaves for any reason. Never EVER stone anyone to death for any reason. Notice, Finn . . . any thing you DO find that agrees with what is "written in our hearts" may also have some contradictions "written in ink" under specific circumstances. I eliminated any confusion that might cause by using NEVER . . . so that when you find agreement "written in ink" you will also have to explain its opposite also "written in ink."
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
I never claimed the Spirit and the Bible contradict. I believe they are in sync. The universalists claim there is a contradiction, but they can never provide a single example. Instead they keep quoting from the book which they slam as something written by corrupt, evil and ignorant people. Go figure.....
I just listed several . . . care to explain them?
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
The bible says that God commanded Abraham to sacrifice his son. People, like yourself, believe that to be a literal truth. The spiritual truth, however, is that the God who IS love would never command me to kill my own child to prove my loyalty. That is written in my heart. Is it written in yours?
Great choice, Pleroo. I doubt he will have an answer for you'
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I agree God will not put you to such test. Why would He, when you have already failed the test.
See. Evasion and dodging . . . no answer.
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But you believe, because it is written in ink, that the God who is love has, and may still, put others -- maybe even you, if you have a child -- to the test of killing their own child to prove their loyalty. I know that cannot be true.
So, I gave you what you asked for: a spiritual truth that has been written in my heart that contradicts a literal reading of the bible. You can stop asking now.
It is not possible for him to acknowledge that it is a spiritual truth "written in our hearts" given that he has to accept everything "written in ink" as true.
Trettep is asking how much punishment you believe is just.
I sincerely don't understand what you are trying to get people to analyze by asking your question? The question doesn't really make sense.
ah come, playing the "suddenly your not enlightened enough" to figure out what is being asked isn't going to get you guys off the hook.
All trettep has to do is give us the opposite answer....and she would have hers. Now that shouldn't be too hard for those who claim higher evolved intelligence or sudden awaking to some hidden truth.
UR time equation for the wicked to reach UR's utopia
10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 trillion years raised to the ______________ power.
For example: Never EVER bash anyone's baby's head against rocks for any reason. Never EVER rape anyone for any reason. Never EVER wipe out entire families of men, women and children for any reason. Never EVER save the virgins of others and take them to be your sex slaves for any reason. Never EVER stone anyone to death for any reason. Notice, Finn . . . any thing you DO find that agrees with what is "written in our hearts" may also have some contradictions "written in ink" under specific circumstances. I eliminated any confusion that might cause by using NEVER . . . so that when you find agreement "written in ink" you will also have to explain its opposite also "written in ink."
I just listed several . . . care to explain them?
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I asked for examples which cannot be found in the Bible. Do you have any? Jesus taught His followers to love their neighbors, and even their enemies, so I don't see how you could possibly have missed it...? What happened in ancient Israel are are historical events, and not spiritual teachings for believers.
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Trettep is probably like many UR's who started out as ET believers but abandoned the belief in ET when the evidence against it, biblical and otherwise, became overwhelming.
A strong biblical case can be made in support of UR and, imo most importantly, it is in perfect harmony with the nature of the God who is love.
You too ... bunch of non-answer answers?
Be the enlighten you're proud of being and give the wicked some kind loving answer:
UR time equation for the wicked to reach UR's utopia
10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 trillion years raised to the ______________ power.
ah come, playing the "suddenly your not enlightened enough" to figure out what is being asked isn't going to get you guys off the hook.
All trettep has to do is give us the opposite answer....and she would have hers. Now that shouldn't be too hard for those who claim higher evolved intelligence or sudden awaking to some hidden truth.
UR time equation for the wicked to reach UR's utopia
10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 trillion years raised to the ______________ power.
Twinspin, I already explained. URs don't believe in torment they way you do. It is not the same question when given to us. My answer is that that God NEVER torments anyone in the manner that Fudnamentalists believe in Torment. So that is 0 years raised to the infinite power.
You have to remember the UR God is LOVE and says to LOVE your enemies.
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