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I asked for examples which cannot be found in the Bible. Do you have any? Jesus taught His followers to love their neighbors, so I don't see how you could possibly think not killing babies is not mentioned in the Bible? What happened in ancient Israel are are historical events, and not spiritual teachings for believers.
Finn_Jarber, God said to love His enemies. Do you believe HE will still love those that get tormented in the Hell that you believe in?
ah come, playing the "suddenly your not enlightened enough" to figure out what is being asked isn't going to get you guys off the hook.
All trettep has to do is give us the opposite answer....and she would have hers. Now that shouldn't be too hard for those who claim higher evolved intelligence or sudden awaking to some hidden truth.
UR time equation for the wicked to reach UR's utopia
10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 trillion years raised to the ______________ power.
Twin ... why are you being abrasive? I'm telling you honestly, your question didn't make sense to me, and now you're changing it. First you asked, how long do the NOT wicked need to be NOT tormented (or something like that).
Now you're asking how long should the "wicked" be tormented before they "reach utopia"? That's a different question completely. And it assumes that I believe that people are wicked, or that God torments people --- which I do not --- so I can't answer it as asked. But I can tell you that I believe that whatever is in me that is not in harmony with the God who is love will need to be dealt with, some way, some how. It will take as long as it takes, but it won't take forever.
You can stop with the guiding hands nonsense. Inspiration is inspiration . . . NOT dictation or automatic writing. It absolutely requires interpretation using the existing knowledge and beliefs of the receiver of the inspirations. I have shown a number of times the problems that lack of valid knowledge creates for receivers interpreting their inspirations, visions or actual events. You can retain your refusal to acknowledge this undeniable feature of human cognition . . . but it will not make it true. For example: Never EVER bash anyone's baby's head against rocks for any reason. Never EVER rape anyone for any reason. Never EVER wipe out entire families of men, women and children for any reason. Never EVER save the virgins of others and take them to be your sex slaves for any reason. Never EVER stone anyone to death for any reason. Notice, Finn . . . any thing you DO find that agrees with what is "written in our hearts" may also have some contradictions "written in ink" under specific circumstances. I eliminated any confusion that might cause by using NEVER . . . so that when you find agreement "written in ink" you will also have to explain its opposite also "written in ink."
I just listed several . . . care to explain them?
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
I asked for examples which cannot be found in the Bible. Do you have any? Jesus taught His followers to love their neighbors, so I don't see how you could possibly think not killing babies is not mentioned in the Bible? What happened in ancient Israel are are historical events, and not spiritual teachings for believers.
Are you serious??? You said and Timothy said the scriptures (the OT ones were the only ones in existence at the time) were useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. Are you denying that now????
Are you serious??? You said and Timothy said the scriptures (the OT ones were the only ones in existence at the time) were useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. Are you denying that now????
I asked a simple question, and you failed to answer. I don't care what was in existence at the time, I asked you for example of a spiritual teaching you have written in your heart which cannot be found in the Bible. Do you have any such examples? Yes, or no?
I asked a simple question, and you failed to answer. I don't care what was in existence at the time, I asked you for example of a spiritual teaching you have written in your heart which cannot be found in the Bible. Do you have any such examples? Yes, or no?
I'm asking you a similar question, can you give me an example of spiritual teaching that is in the bible that is not already written on our hearts ?.
I asked a simple question, and you failed to answer. I don't care what was in existence at the time, I asked you for example of a spiritual teaching you have written in your heart which cannot be found in the Bible. Do you have any such examples? Yes, or no?
I DID give you several and they CONTRADICT what is taught in the OT scriptures (Bible) which were the ONLY scriptures at the time that were useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. Are you denying that now???? Since my spiritual truths contain the word NEVER they can NOT be said to be what is "written in ink" because the opposite is what was written.
I DID give you several and they CONTRADICT what is taught in the OT scriptures (Bible) which were the ONLY scriptures at the time that were useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. Are you denying that now???? Since my spiritual truths contain the word NEVER they can NOT be said to be what is "written in ink" because the opposite is what was written.
You are trying to dance around the question. I did not ask about the OT. Do you, or do you not have examples of spiritual teachings written in your heart which cannot be found in the Bible? You keep telling people we need to go with the teachings written in our hearts, but now you cannot come up with a single example of such teaching which is not already mentioned in the Bible.
I'm telling you honestly, your question didn't make sense to me, and now you're changing it. First you asked, how long do the NOT wicked need to be NOT tormented (or something like that).
Now you're asking how long should the "wicked" be tormented before they "reach utopia"? That's a different question completely. And it assumes that I believe that people are wicked, or that God torments people --- which I do not --- so I can't answer it as asked. But I can tell you that I believe that whatever is in me that is not in harmony with the God who is love will need to be dealt with, some way, some how. It will take as long as it takes, but it won't take forever.
I only changed it because of the sudden incapability of the UR's to grasp.
You have just proven that you do understand the question since:
you don't believe there is no wicked people
God torments people
so stop the with "duh" and answer the question put to you guys. Use your enlightenment qualities (unless Mystic hasn't been loving enough to share) and replace any word in the original question from treppet dealing with "wicked" \ "torment" with UR verbiage that you understand and tell us how long will it take?
" love" time equation:
10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 trillion years raised to the ______________ power.
fill in the blank for me. Let us know what is the sufficient time for God to be satisfied with the "love process" of the NON-wicked.
Is that so hard .. or don't you believe yourself when you say that all there is "love" and "people are not wicked"
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Originally Posted by Pleroo
(Ps. I'm pretty sure trettep is a guy.)
oh ... I'm sure that will add an extra zero into my equation
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