Do Catholics Believe Transubstantiation-The Doctrine of Real Presence? (church, abortion, priest)
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I always thought this was cut and dried, Catholics believed the Communion bread and grape juice was literally transformed into the flesh, bones, sinew, cartilage of Jesus as well as his blood. In fact, I had several hearty debates over this with a Catholic priest friend of mine who was adamant it was true.
Now, on this forum one of the Catholics says he does not buy into it, and that MRI tests have proven it remains bread and juice. I was blown away, for Father Vince told me any Catholic who does not believe it is not to take communion, the top sacrament for Catholics.
I don't care if Catholics only respond to the poll and comment. Though I would like Catholic clarification on this please.
Well, the poll feature was above my level of competence. I'll just add them up and the end.
officially, yes. Truth be told I never understood what it meant until I had left the catholic church. I honestly doubt most lay catholics really know what it means.
officially, yes. Truth be told I never understood what it meant until I had left the catholic church. I honestly doubt most lay catholics really know what it means.
Wow Viz, you are quick I was setting this up as a poll.
It is official teaching of the Church as per the NT. It is clear in the NT if one takes the Bible literally. The early church fathers took the Bible literally with regards to this issue.
I am ambivalent about this. What is really important is the mystic connection with God at the time of the eucharist. In this regard I cannot blame Protestants for not taking the Bible literally (as they usually do) on this issue.
I always thought this was cut and dried, Catholics believed the Communion bread and grape juice was literally transformed into the flesh, bones, sinew, cartilage of Jesus as well as his blood. In fact, I had several hearty debates over this with a Catholic priest friend of mine who was adamant it was true.
Now, on this forum one of the Catholics says he does not buy into it, and that MRI tests have proven it remains bread and juice. I was blown away, for Father Vince told me any Catholic who does not believe it is not to take communion, the top sacrament for Catholics.
I don't care if Catholics only respond to the poll and comment. Though I would like Catholic clarification on this please.
Well, the poll feature was above my level of competence. I'll just add them up and the end.
The answer is yes, and just btw, it's not "grape juice," it's wine.
Would you say most are honest about not accepting communion if not having met these following requirements from Catholic Answers?
First, you must be in a state of grace. "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup." Grave matter includes, but is not limited to, murder, receiving or participating in an abortion, homosexual acts, having sexual intercourse outside of marriage or in an invalid marriage, and deliberately engaging in impure thoughts.
Second, you must have been to confession since your last mortal sin. The Didache witnesses to this practice of the early Church. "But first make confession of your faults, so that your sacrifice may be a pure one" (Didache 14). The 1983 Code of Canon Law indicates that the same requirement applies today. "A person who is conscious of a grave sin is not to . . .
Third, you must believe in the doctrine of transubstantiation. "For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself" (1 Cor. 11:29). Transubstantiation means more than the Real Presence.
Fourth, you must observe the Eucharistic fast. Canon law states, "One who is to receive the most Holy Eucharist is to abstain from any food or drink, with the exception only of water and medicine, for at least the period of one hour before Holy Communion"
Thanks for taking time to answer. Julian658 and others, your honesty and openness is nice.
Oh, sorry the priest I used to talk about this doctrine with used grape juice. My mistake for not knowing they weren't all the same.
I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will correct me, but in a Catholic mass only wine can be used.
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