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Old 10-18-2011, 06:30 PM
 
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BH, the only thing Cambell did to the best of my knowledge was to get people back to the Bible, to pattern themselves after the New Testament church in regards to worship, and organization. His idea was to speak where the Bible speaks and be silent where the Bible is silent. Seems pretty good to me. I don't know of anyone who is in the Lord's church that is bothered by the Campell movement. I know I'm not.

Jesus built His church. It is alive and well. We know that because He promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against it. Cambell didn't start the church. What he did was try to get people back to the Bible, to get back to the old paths. Think of it like this. I liked my great grandmother's house so much that I had my husband build it using her old blueprints. The finished product was just like Granny's original. That's what Cambell tried to do, restore the church to the way it is seen in the New Testament. I think what Cambell did was pretty commendable. Course if you're of the mind that the Bible isn't the unerring, inspired word of God, then I can understand your antagonism toward Cambell and the church of Christ.

By the way, what denomination do you belong to? Just wondering.

Katie
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I forgot to mention....
On the day of Pentecost, when the Jews realized they had killed the Savior of the world, they were pierced to the heart. They asked what they should do. Peter told them to repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins. Three thousand believed and were baptized that day, and the LORD added them to the church. Jesus has been adding those who believe and are baptized ever since to His church, His body.

BH, there are many congregations of the Lord's church all over the world. Their Biblical names are church of God, church of Christ, the Way, the Lord's church, Christ's church, etc. You can recognize those groups by their pattern of worship and organization. They will look just like the church of tbe NT.

Hope this helps you to have a better understanding.

Katie
Katie, all churches were started in an attempt to get people back to the bible, according to the way they interpreted it. Smyth started the Baptist Church, Wesley started the Methodist Church, Luther the Lutheran, etc. Campbell starting the Church of Christ is no different than why any of the others were formed. They thought they were right and the others were wrong.

The Church of Christ and Church of God in the towns I've lived in are TOTALLY different, so I'm really confused by what you said. It doesn't matter at all what the church is named, and I'm sure God doesn't care about "pattern" of worship or organization.

I'm certainly not bashing your church, but I'm just amazed you all really believe rebuilding a church to appear like the original means it's the church Jesus started.

I'm Baptist, and as I told you on the other thread, I stopped believing in a literal hell in 2005 so I'm not the typical Baptist. (P.S. I don't know if you saw that post or not because you didn't respond. You asked me if I'm a universalist and I addressed that.)

 
Old 10-18-2011, 07:10 PM
 
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This is what the Bible teaches.
"Repent and be baptized each of you for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Acts 2:38
I find that the Bible teaches God Himself gives out His Holy Spirit, that It does not come from man. I'll share a couple instances.


Acts 11
He told us how he had seen an angel appear in his house and say, ‘Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. 14He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.15As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. 16Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized witha water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17So if God gave them the same gift as he gave us, who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could oppose God?”


Acts 10
42He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. 43All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
44While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. 46For they heard them speaking in tonguesb and praising God.
Then Peter said, 47Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.
 
Old 10-18-2011, 08:56 PM
 
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I'm certainly not bashing your church, but I'm just amazed you all really believe rebuilding a church to appear like the original means it's the church Jesus started.
I hope you don't think I'm bashing a church either... My best friend in high school was baptist. But let's just take a hypothetical situation. Christ established his church. He stressed baptism and his disciples, after his acension also taught baptism for the remission I sins.

Fast forward 2000 years and there's a church that teaches that baptism is not essential. It is not for the remission of sins.

And another church teaches that it is for the remission of sins. That it is necessary for salvation. AlOng with repentance and confession.

Another church doesn't acknowledge baptism as scriptural in any way.

Which do you think he's going to be most pleased with? Now this is not Going to be scriptural. Just a question...
 
Old 10-18-2011, 09:13 PM
 
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One need simply to google "church of christ" with "stone campbell" or "restoration movement".

To spice it up a little, add in the word "cult" if you want to find out how the CoC's doctrinal positions (clearly hard core Arminianism) compares with other Christian denominations of the reformed (Luther and Calvin) tradition.
 
Old 10-18-2011, 09:34 PM
 
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Church of Christ, Church of God, Church of Whatever . . . have NOTHING to do with Christ. There is no magic in Baptism or names or rituals or sacraments or communion or tongues or snake handling or . . . whatever. None of it matters because God knows our heart and what we do or do not do is measured against our heart. Get over this ancient superstitious nonsense and "love God and each other" as Christ commanded. Christ has saved us ALL. There is nothing we need do to be saved, but our Spirit must achieve harmony (resonance) with the Grace of Christ to be "worthy" to stand in the presence of God (Communion and ritual can help us to do this but are NOT magic and are not required).

Christ abides with us and His Holy Spirit is within our consciousness to lead us to what God has "written in our hearts." We need no men to baptize us or teach us, or lead us, or sanctify us, or "sacramentalize" us, or . . . whatever. There is no magic! God does NOT need us to enforce His Will on anyone but ourselves. We will reap what we sow based on our own success or failure in following Christ's commands to "love God and each other."If we "love God and each other" we are golden . . . and God will rejoice in our success in overcoming our animal nature with love. If we do not . . . there is no magic that can compensate for it. We will have to reap the consequences, but they will be no more than we sowed and no less.

ET and AN are bogus. We are eternal Spirits inhabiting a physical womb as embryo Spirits. We will be reborn as Spirit upon our physical death.

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Old 10-18-2011, 09:46 PM
 
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I suppose I should marvel not that we are hated so.

You've never even been to my church! Judgemental hypocrites.

One thing I've learned on this forum, people are always talking about these CRAZY experiences in supposed churches of Christ. I've never heard of half this stuff let alone seen it happen.

I'm from Arkansas! Come down here and decide before you drag my family and my savior in the mud. I believe the bible. Nothing else. You got a problem
With that, talk to God about it. The invitation to the highway church of Christ is always open.
 
Old 10-18-2011, 10:22 PM
 
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I suppose I should marvel not that we are hated so.

You've never even been to my church! Judgemental hypocrites.

One thing I've learned on this forum, people are always talking about these CRAZY experiences in supposed churches of Christ. I've never heard of half this stuff let alone seen it happen.

I'm from Arkansas! Come down here and decide before you drag my family and my savior in the mud. I believe the bible. Nothing else. You got a problem
With that, talk to God about it. The invitation to the highway church of Christ is always open.
Hate is a very strong word. Paul had this to say about those who would present a different Gospel than that which he delivered:

1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Paul used the word accursed, not hate.

Here is the Gospel that Paul proclaimed:

1Co 15:1 MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

I believe the Stone-Campbell movement (aka: CoC, DoC, etc.) proclaims a far different gospel than Paul did. But I certainly don't hate anyone for doing so or believing otherwise.
 
Old 10-18-2011, 10:40 PM
 
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I believe the Stone-Campbell movement (aka: CoC, DoC, etc.) proclaims a far different gospel than Paul did. But I certainly don't hate anyone for doing so or believing otherwise.
I don't hate anyone either. My favorite aunt was CoC and I visited with her a few times when I was young. One of best friends is also CoC and when we were growing up she always told me that no one would go to heaven except for the CoC and her grandmother (who was Methodist), because she knew God would never send her grandmother to hell. Oh, thanks. I don't think she believes they are the only ones anymore, though.
 
Old 10-18-2011, 11:11 PM
 
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I don't hate anyone either. My favorite aunt was CoC and I visited with her a few times when I was young. One of best friends is also CoC and when we were growing up she always told me that no one would go to heaven except for the CoC and her grandmother (who was Methodist), because she knew God would never send her grandmother to hell. Oh, thanks. I don't think she believes they are the only ones anymore, though.
Hey, I know exactly what you're saying. At one time I was a hard line hyper-Calvinist. I also recall (when I was too young to drive) I would ride my bike to the JW Kingdom Hall to proclaim Jesus as Jehovah God and then on the way home stop off at the CoC to proclaim the Gospel. Loved to quote the Westminster Confession of Faith to anyone within ears reach....lol. Condemned everyone who disagreed with me or my confession. I was very young, youth being my only excuse.

Now, as time would have it, I'm a full blown Biblical Universalist, and now myself being fully condemned by those I too had condemned...lol.

UR was something I had resisted for many years, even though Jesus' Spirit (the Holy Spirit) had clearly taught and shown it to me through the scriptures.

I guess we all go through trials and tribulations in life. Some spiritual trials of faith, some physical and emotional pain and suffering to get us to where we need to be. It's whatever causes us to grow in Christ that will ultimately lead us to our complete sanctification according to God's good pleasure.

Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
 
Old 10-19-2011, 06:19 AM
 
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Hate is a very strong word. Paul had this to say about those who would present a different Gospel than that which he delivered:

1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Paul used the word accursed, not hate.

Here is the Gospel that Paul proclaimed:

1Co 15:1 MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

I believe the Stone-Campbell movement (aka: CoC, DoC, etc.) proclaims a far different gospel than Paul did. But I certainly don't hate anyone for doing so or believing otherwise.
So tell me what false gospel the church I attend preaches...
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