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I remember laughing out loud when some pompous ass on Christian Forums expressed doubts about my Christianity because I had a "flawed understanding" of the Trinity, as if ANYONE has ANY real understanding of the Trinity!
What you wrote reminds me of that famous Augustine quote, "If you deny the trinity you lose your soul, if your try to explain the trinity you shall lose your mind."
What you wrote reminds me of that famous Augustine quote, "If you deny the trinity you lose your soul, if your try to explain the trinity you shall lose your mind."
I went through a dozen or so sources and pulled out what all agreed were the Essentials of Christianity. Essentials of Christianity
• The Deity of Christ
• Salvation by Grace through faith in Jesus Christ
• The Resurrection of Christ
• The Gospel
.... these Essentials of Christianity in the core and labels it Essential for Salvation. .
This looks like a good list of 'IRREDUCIBLE TRUTHS'. While some might argue that these are 'only' church doctrine or orthodoxy, they are essentially the basis of a belief in Christ which leads to Salvation. Drop any one of them and "Salvation" itself becomes something other than what the Bible declares.
Nowhere, does it say that he was a substitute according to the Scriptures. Bore our sins, merely states he was pierced "because of" our sin.
For I delivered to you as of first importance, what I also received:
That Christ died for (because of) our sins - according to the Scriptures. And that He was buried; and that He was raised on the third day - according to the Scriptures.
In other words, according to the Scriptures without the Resurrection, your faith in his death would be in vain.
It's by and through his life, that we live:
"Love does not acknowledge itself, rather it seeks out what it can do for that of others; even in the midst of pain and suffering."
Yes it does. It says by saying that Jesus bore OUR sins in HIS body.
1 Peter 2:24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
That's substitution.
It says it in Isaiah 53 where it speaks of the Messiah rendering Himself as a guilt offering.
Isaiah 53:10 But the LORD was pleased To crush Him, putting Him to grief; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
That's substitution.
It says it in Hebrews 10:10.
Hebrews 10:10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
That is substitution.
And 1 Corinthians 15:3
1 Cor. 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for (huper; in behalf of; for the sake of) our sins according to the Scriptures,
And yes, that is substitution.
John 15:3 "Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for (huper) his friends.
Jesus had to die in order to make salvation possible. As the Scriptures say
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Jesus paid that penalty on our behalf.
But if you refuse to accept the truth of that, then you reject it. You have the right to believe what you want.
Yes it does. It says by saying that Jesus bore OUR sins in HIS body.
1 Peter 2:24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
That's substitution.
It says it in Isaiah 53 where it speaks of the Messiah rendering Himself as a guilt offering.
Isaiah 53:10 But the LORD was pleased To crush Him, putting Him to grief; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
That's substitution.
It says it in Hebrews 10:10.
Hebrews 10:10 By this will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
That is substitution.
And 1 Corinthians 15:3
1 Cor. 15:3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for (huper; in behalf of; for the sake of) our sins according to the Scriptures,
And yes, that is substitution.
John 15:3 "Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for (huper) his friends.
Jesus had to die in order to make salvation possible. As the Scriptures say
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Jesus paid that penalty on our behalf.
But if you refuse to accept the truth of that, then you reject it. You have the right to believe what you want.
Actually the Scriptures refer to it as a "ransom". He paid the price for Adam's sin and relieved us of the potential consequences of being Adam's physical children, if we have Faith (an active faith) in Jesus shed blood.
Actually the Scriptures refer to it as a "ransom". He paid the price for Adam's sin and relieved us of the potential consequences of being Adam's physical children, if we have Faith (an active faith) in Jesus shed blood.
The Bible refers to Christ's work on the Cross in terms of redemption, and in terms of a ransom. Our personal sins were imputed to Christ who bore our sins in His own body on the Cross. Jesus paid the price for every sin of every person who has lived and who will ever live.
1 Peter 2:24and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.
I do the same, Mike . . . but I approach the interpretation with a different context and a very different understanding of the TRUE NATURE of God as revealed by Jesus . . .. NOT what our ignorant savage ancestors believed ABOUT God. You rely on the barbaric beliefs ABOUT God in the OT and I believe what Christ revealed ABOUT God. This is the corrupt interpretation of Timothy that has misled the churches for over 2000+ years. Christ is the Living Word of God and He abides with us in our consciousness as the Comforter. The Bible is NOT the word of God . . . it revealed Christ and told us how to identify and validate Him. It is USEFUL (profitable) for instruction . . . that's it. Your mentors have interpreted the Bible for you . . . the Bible teaches nothing. It merely presents what our ancestors recorded about God and Christ. WE do the interpreting of it. We can do that intelligently and knowledgeably or we can blindly believe the simple reading of the multi-copied, multi-translated and multi-transliterated English. The latter is just foolish.
No, you absolutely do not back up what you say. You give personal opinions which are contrary to what the Bible teaches. The Bible is the Word of God. Two examples are the Book of Revelation which states plainly that Jesus gave the Revelation to John and that John recorded the Revelation (Rev. 1:1-2,11). The Book of Revelation is the Word of God.
The Book of Jeremiah plainly states that what is recorded in that Book is the Word of God.
Jeremiah 36:1 In the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah, king of Judah, this word came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, 2] Take a scroll and write on it all the words which I have spoken to you concerning Israel and concerning Judah, and concerning all the nation, from the day I first spoke to you, from the days of Josiah, even to this day.
The Book of Jeremiah is the Word of God. All the Books of the Bible are the Word of God. You simply refuse to believe it.
And I did not say that the entire Bible was dictated by God so don't even bother bringing that up.
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