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There have been many deletes and edits in this thread. I am going to leave it open but be warned that the next personal attack or name callling post will be infracted.
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I agree....I too have experiened the tongues phenomenon and have been slayed in the spirit...Rather pushed to the floor but my hyped up mined along with guidence of the pastors wife felt it the way they wanted me to followed bycrying, similar to the experiences of the local Corinthian oracle interpreters of tongues spoken by the possessed oracle contemporay to the church in Corinth...When I discovered this years later as my knowledge grew, I had to questioned the source of that experience seriously, especially since I see nothing in the Scriptures or the Letters of anyone slayed being slayed in the spirit...And as far as speaking in NEW tongues, that world be NEW to the person experiencing the phenomenon, not NEW to the world, such as Angelic tongues...
There is something in the Scriptures. Twice mentioned.
1KINGS 8:11 "So that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the Glory of the LORD had filled the house of the LORD."
2CHRON 5:14 "So that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the Glory of the LORD had filled the house of God."
A rare phenomena yet it happened with no being pushed to the floor by someone else.
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There is something in the Scriptures. Twice mentioned.
1KINGS 8:11 "So that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the Glory of the LORD had filled the house of the LORD."
2CHRON 5:14 "So that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the Glory of the LORD had filled the house of God."
A rare phenomena yet it happened with no being pushed to the floor by someone else.
Acts 9:4 "And he fell to the earth" because Paul had a visitation of the Lord.
In Acts they were speaking in tongues as a gift, the hearers could understand their own language. In Cornelius house it was seen as an evidence that they received the Holy Spirit. Diversity of tongues can be both a gift and evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit. But they thought, that in Acts they were drunk, obviously they had a problem to stand on their feet.
Rev 1:17 John fell at his feet as dead.
I have experienced this phenomena myself and asked the LORD for revelation. It is of the LORD. That it can be manipulated does not make it untrue. In the beginning we were all falling without catcher. One time I fell without "prayer" into a feather bed, filled with great joy. One big brother fell always on his face, so quick he had no chance, usually without laying on of hands. One time I was already on the floor, he fell so close to me that he touched me and it was a little earthquake, I think he had about 100 pounds. Later in another church I myself ministered to the people. We were advised not to lay on hands directly, but always to keep some distance, so people could not say, they were pushed. But they fell anyway. For me and my wife we got revived,
Acts 9:4 "And he fell to the earth" because Paul had a visitation of the Lord.
In Acts they were speaking in tongues as a gift, the hearers could understand their own language. In Cornelius house it was seen as an evidence that they received the Holy Spirit. Diversity of tongues can be both a gift and evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit. But they thought, that in Acts they were drunk, obviously they had a problem to stand on their feet.
Rev 1:17 John fell at his feet as dead.
I have experienced this phenomena myself and asked the LORD for revelation. It is of the LORD. That it can be manipulated does not make it untrue. In the beginning we were all falling without catcher. One time I fell without "prayer" into a feather bed, filled with great joy. One big brother fell always on his face, so quick he had no chance, usually without laying on of hands. One time I was already on the floor, he fell so close to me that he touched me and it was a little earthquake, I think he had about 100 pounds. Later in another church I myself ministered to the people. We were advised not to lay on hands directly, but always to keep some distance, so people could not say, they were pushed. But they fell anyway. For me and my wife we got revived,
Could be psychological...You'd be surprised what the mind can do to the body...
The day of Pentecost in the book of Acts people heard their home languages from around the known world , but among the same group listening, said it was gibberish they were accused of being drunk first thing in the morning.
This is not an unusual phenomenon , I have acquaintance that traveled the world and visited a church when some one stood and spoke english . After the service excited to find another english speaking person, was stunned to find that person that spoke knew no english at all, but the detail of the message were spot on.
It is my understanding that Tongues are not an end but a beginning. An this is where so many fail.
Speaking in tongues is a lesson in obedience in listening and responding to what the Spirit of God is guiding.
When you learn math there are principles you do not comprehend but fallow because you are instructed to ,later on you understand the principles and it all makes sense.
Saying the words one is given ,being yielded to God for this, is much the same ,not having to understand the words merely being obedient in faith responding. When you come to the place God can speak to you in the language you easily understand now the step of faith is even more significant when obeying what you are told. More accountable in comprehension and execution of instructions.
God would that all men that loved Him were prophets. God told Moses.
When the Spirit teaches me to pray for some one ,I say what I'm given and I have no evidence to speak otherwise ,God witnesses in the heart of the person in need and opens a door of faith .
Tongues no longer become necessary when you are obedient with what the Spirit of God is instructing you.
One of the most important requests of the disciples was ,teach us to pray.
This only the Holy Spirit can do.
Men try but it's really God's job.
If you are still using the same language you learned from the beginning , let God teach you more than that. Be hungry be desperate be honest and transparent with God .
Give Him license to clean house in you, and take you further.
Well, my experience if of G-d, would have the whole congregation falling out because His presence would have filled the sanctuary...
Richard the presence of God can be different in manifestation. That nobody could stand happened, I forgot the town in USA. First every one of the quire fell, than the pastor went to the pulpit, which was split into two pieces and the pastor was thrown some meters backwards and lay there for two hours. the people went forward repenting. when the next service was scheduled, people that reached the entrance could not stand. There was revival in the town at the university, even a congregation that did not believe in tongues began to speak in tongues.
If you would make a study what happened in revival in history you will find such phenomena.
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