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Not true at all. A distinction is to be made between works as part of the believer's spiritual life, and doing works because you think you have to in order to earn your salvation. A big difference.
I know that but you people are compelled by pride not to accept that as being less than a "holier than thou", disposition from anyone who might go beyond simply being social __ like praying spontaneously for someone in the hallway.
I know that but you people are compelled by pride not to accept that as being less than a "holier than thou", disposition from anyone who might go beyond simply being social __ like praying spontaneously for someone in the hallway.
Your assumptions and accusations are uncalled for and off topic, and will not be addressed.
The grace oriented believer understands that salvation is by grace which means that God did all the work necessary in providing salvation, through faith alone in Christ alone. In witnessing, he makes the issue clear.
Your assumptions and accusations are uncalled for and off topic, and will not be addressed.
The grace oriented believer understands that salvation is by grace which means that God did all the work necessary in providing salvation, through faith alone in Christ alone. In witnessing, he makes the issue clear.
God seems to make it so smooth and easy here....compared with the atrocities in the OT that were supposedly done to secure the bloodline. But I guess the end justifies the means. But that is Off Topic....sorry.
Your assumptions and accusations are uncalled for and off topic, and will not be addressed.
The grace oriented believer understands that salvation is by grace which means that God did all the work necessary in providing salvation, through faith alone in Christ alone. In witnessing, he makes the issue clear.
Quite the contrary and sorry to say but, Calvinism has been a bane to Christendom by it's doctrine of what people like Dietrich Bonhoeffer and many others have cited as "Cheap Grace". If you have never heard of that and would like e-papers just go to the net and type in "Cheap Grace by Bonhoeffer". You will read the pros and cons. Take note of the cons and who they are __Calvinist' all.
Your assumptions and accusations are uncalled for and off topic, and will not be addressed.
The grace oriented believer understands that salvation is by grace which means that God did all the work necessary in providing salvation, through faith alone in Christ alone. In witnessing, he makes the issue clear.
Are you saying it is given we don't need to learn the ways of God? It's unnecessary for Union in Him or is union in Him not something that needs to be addressed and pursued?
Mike, you referred to Eph. 2:8-9 [8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast. You said that these verses proved that we are saved by faith alone. But you omitted verse [10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
As St. James said in Jas. 2:[20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? [26] For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. Greg Laure agrees with James.
Also St. John said in 1 John 2:[3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Unfortunately "faith only" advocates who ignore the weightier issues of the scripture, tend to pick the same few verses and then force all other verses to "fit" the mold of what they wish to believe. Disciples of Jesus weigh each individual verse by ALL the other verses to build a holistic understanding of walking with God.
"Faith alone" folks display a primary interest in getting to heaven. Disciples of Jesus display a great concern for living for Him right now. Just as there are no amount of "works" that will earn one a place as a child of God, there is no amount of belief (mouth confession) sans the evidence of works that will make one a child of God either.
There are plenty of idiotic arguments about death bed confessions or children dying prior to some undefined "age of accountability," the fact is that without severe manipulation of scripture we just plain don't know. Now you watch, someone will claim they do know and then proceed to "explain" scripture (manipulate it) and will say they are not manipulating. When you see that, you can be sure that person's head is in a dogmatic toilet bowl. The scripture isn't very clear. Maybe God wants to be left to handle a few things on His own while we are to worry about making sure our own life today has been lived adequately so that if the Master came home tonight, then about today He would say, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant."
Last edited by Wardendresden; 02-21-2014 at 05:12 PM..
Reason: Grammatical correction
The issue is not about whether a believer should have works. He should. The issue is that works have nothing to do with receiving eternal life.
SO close and so true . . . because NOTHING we do has anything to do with receiving eternal life. Christ did that part for us. Works are all about sanctification and following Christ's instructions to "love God and each other" daily and repent when we don't.
SO close and so true . . . because NOTHING we do has anything to do with receiving eternal life. Christ did that part for us. Works are all about sanctification and following Christ's instructions to "love God and each other" daily and repent when we don't.
I think if we reverse that order and "repent daily," we WILL love God and each other!!
I think if we reverse that order and "repent daily," we WILL love God and each other!!
Why? if, as you believe, Jesus did it all. Why the command of Jesus given us?
This is meant for Mystic to answer. Sorry bout that.
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