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Old 02-18-2014, 02:06 PM
 
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I never said God was evil.

I said the perception of barbaric men of God was incorrect. God would never command the killing of children. You misunderstood my point. The early OT is mostly allegoric and written by men that did not understand God.

Do you actually believe God commanded the killing of children?

Yes, if it meant letting the children fend for themselves and they would die anyway through starvation, etc.

Of course, this would happen if God wiped out a whole community like at Sodom and Gomorrah. Humans could take the children if they did the killing and many did but they were usually turned into slaves. In those days slaves weren't the same thing as what we think of as slaves today.
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Old 02-18-2014, 02:21 PM
 
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I never said God was evil.
I said the perception of barbaric men of God was incorrect. God would never command the killing of children. You misunderstood my point. The early OT is mostly allegoric and written by men that did not understand God.
Do you actually believe God commanded the killing of children?
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Yes, if it meant letting the children fend for themselves and they would die anyway through starvation, etc.
Of course, this would happen if God wiped out a whole community like at Sodom and Gomorrah. Humans could take the children if they did the killing and many did but they were usually turned into slaves. In those days slaves weren't the same thing as what we think of as slaves today.
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Old 02-18-2014, 03:42 PM
 
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Do you actually believe God commanded the killing of children?
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Yes, if it meant letting the children fend for themselves and they would die anyway through starvation, etc.

Of course, this would happen if God wiped out a whole community like at Sodom and Gomorrah. Humans could take the children if they did the killing and many did but they were usually turned into slaves. In those days slaves weren't the same thing as what we think of as slaves today.
You have surely heard the arguments that it is kinder to abort a baby who would be born into a situation where they would likely be neglected and abused, or born into poverty with little chance for survival.

You're basically saying that's the same way that God thinks. According to you, then, those who condone abortion for the VERY SAME REASONS that you say God commanded babies to be killed, are much closer to being like your heavenly Father than you are.
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Old 02-18-2014, 05:28 PM
 
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Yes, if it meant letting the children fend for themselves and they would die anyway through starvation, etc.

Of course, this would happen if God wiped out a whole community like at Sodom and Gomorrah. Humans could take the children if they did the killing and many did but they were usually turned into slaves. In those days slaves weren't the same thing as what we think of as slaves today.
There is no excuse for ordering men to kill babies. Even if the men believed the order came from God.

But, the key issue here is that these parts of the bible are written by savage barbaric primitive men that believed in magic. Furthermore, many of these verses are probably allegoric and not historical. A HUGE part of the bible is allegoric. Many of the stories are just that---------imaginary stories to convey a message.

God is infinite goodness, kindness, holiness, compassion, love, etc. By definition God does not kill. God and evil cannot occupy the same space in the universe. God cannot order an evil act. If God ordered an evil act then God would not be God.

However, men are primitive and barbaric and their view of God was erroneous.

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Old 02-18-2014, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You have surely heard the arguments that it is kinder to abort a baby who would be born into a situation where they would likely be neglected and abused, or born into poverty with little chance for survival.

You're basically saying that's the same way that God thinks. According to you, then, those who condone abortion for the VERY SAME REASONS that you say God commanded babies to be killed, are much closer to being like your heavenly Father than you are.
Thank you for writing exactly what I was thinking! There certainly are and there have been children born who would have been better off having never come into this world - there is no doubt about it. Not that I'm "pro-abortion" - but I am pro women's choice.

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Old 02-18-2014, 06:14 PM
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There is no excuse for ordering men to kill babies. Even if the men believed the order came from God.

But, the key issue here is that these part of the bible is written by savage barbaric primitive men that believed in magic. Furthermore, many of these verses are probably allegoric and not historical. A HUGE part of the bible is allegoric. Many of the stories are just that---------imaginary stories to convey a message.

God is infinite goodness, kindness, holiness, compassion, love, etc. By definition God does not kill. God and evil cannot occupy the same space in the universe. God cannot order an evil act. If God ordered an evil act then God would not be God.

However, men are primitive and barbaric and their view of God was erroneous.
Read Matthew 24, and see what Jesus said about the Father's actions.
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Old 02-18-2014, 06:14 PM
 
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There is no excuse for ordering men to kill babies. Even if the men believed the order came from God.

But, the key issue here is that these part of the bible is written by savage barbaric primitive men that believed in magic. Furthermore, many of these verses are probably allegoric and not historical. A HUGE part of the bible is allegoric. Many of the stories are just that---------imaginary stories to convey a message.

God is infinite goodness, kindness, holiness, compassion, love, etc. By definition God does not kill. God and evil cannot occupy the same space in the universe. God cannot order an evil act. If God ordered an evil act then God would not be God.

However, men are primitive and barbaric and their view of God was erroneous.
But many will argue with you that it is "okay" for God to have evil thoughts and do evil acts BECAUSE he is GOD. So it is no wonder why people preach and teach an evil, angry God even today. And we can see what the fruit of such teaching is. But they will say, "The BIBLE SAYS!" and then they will equate that to be "GOD SAYS" and "GOD SAID"..... and they will be 'ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth'.
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Old 02-18-2014, 06:37 PM
 
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But many will argue with you that it is "okay" for God to have evil thoughts and do evil acts BECAUSE he is GOD. So it is no wonder why people preach and teach an evil, angry God even today. And we can see what the fruit of such teaching is. But they will say, "The BIBLE SAYS!" and then they will equate that to be "GOD SAYS" and "GOD SAID"..... and they will be 'ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth'.
I am sure, they are not learning anything!
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Old 02-18-2014, 06:45 PM
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Yes, if it meant letting the children fend for themselves and they would die anyway through starvation, etc.

Of course, this would happen if God wiped out a whole community like at Sodom and Gomorrah. Humans could take the children if they did the killing and many did but they were usually turned into slaves. In those days slaves weren't the same thing as what we think of as slaves today.
Apparently, some dinosaurs still tread the earth.
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Old 02-18-2014, 07:22 PM
 
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Apparently, some dinosaurs still tread the earth.
But some were fearful of the steam engine, frequently called the fiery dragon?
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