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Old 02-18-2014, 02:40 PM
 
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But you are purposed to be a "son of God". What's the difference that obedience to His commands cannot provide for?

to be a son of God is to have the same character which is of God, until our change. but this flesh is our problem, with obedience.
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Old 02-18-2014, 02:42 PM
 
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Let the Biblee xplain

ASV 1 Corinthians 15:27 For, He put all things in subjection under his feet. But when he saith, All things are put in subjection, it is evident that he is excepted who did subject all things unto him.


God is not a part of the "all things". JEsus us and subjects himself to God as do all of God's servants.
Oh, but He will be in be the sense that ALL things will be summed up in Him, the MAN.

"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." Matthew 1:23 (KJV)

Ask yourself: While on Earth, when was Jesus EVER called Emmanuel or any of the other titles ascribed to Him in Isaiah 9;6?

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Old 02-18-2014, 02:46 PM
 
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Yes, if he were "God" he could just talk to himself.
Absolutely! So who died on the cross, God or a son of Adam's race who fulfilled all the will [desires] of His "Father"? . .

And now, if you claim the new birth His desires pass to you? "Come unto Me and die". You willing?
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Old 02-18-2014, 02:51 PM
 
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Oh, but He is will be the sense that ALL things will be summed up in Jesus, the MAN.
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." Matthew 1:23 (KJV)
Ask yourself: While on Earth, when was Jesus EVER called Emmanuel or any of the other titles ascribed to Him in Isaiah 9;6?
The thing about prophesy is that it is not divination . . . as in a prediction to be seen by those reading it. Prophesy is affirmed after-the-fact by future generations. The entire 2000+ years since Christ has seen validation of the prophesies. Christ has indeed been called all those things. THAT is what makes prophesy so powerful as validation. It is not for those who receive it (divination) . . . so much as for those who will subsequently see its validity through retrospection in the future.
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Old 02-18-2014, 02:53 PM
 
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Because in his human form he was completely human

This means like the rest of us humans, he could not know the parts of God the father that humans are not allowed to yet know.
I agree. [I know the scriptures on that for you to be correct] But why if God was His Father? No tricks here. Just tryin' to get you to dig it out for yourself.
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Old 02-18-2014, 02:55 PM
 
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God created everything - his Word simply proclaims it all
Try seeing God as the Heart and the Word being His lips. How could you possibly separate them?

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1 (KJV)
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Old 02-18-2014, 02:57 PM
 
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Not in the least would it because He was the Son of God. How else can you account for the virgin birth?

However, if you are born again, chosen of God, how would account for that?
Have you read the thread? Jesus Was not Son of God
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Old 02-18-2014, 03:00 PM
 
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to be a son of God is to have the same character which is of God, until our change. but this flesh is our problem, with obedience.
Indeed! Our flesh is the problem but it doesn't we can't be obedient to the commands of God, does it?

"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."
Revelation 3:5 (KJV)
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Old 02-18-2014, 03:05 PM
 
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The thing about prophesy is that it is not divination . . . as in a prediction to be seen by those reading it. Prophesy is affirmed after-the-fact by future generations. The entire 2000+ years since Christ has seen validation of the prophesies. Christ has indeed been called all those things. THAT is what makes prophesy so powerful as validation. It is not for those who receive it (divination) . . . so much as for those who will subsequently see its validity through retrospection in the future.
Oh Boy! That's a lot-o-words that don't answer the question as when He was ever called those titles while on Earth.
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Old 02-18-2014, 03:08 PM
 
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Have you read the thread? Jesus Was not Son of God
Bits of it to know you are offbase __and with an untoward agenda.
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