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Old 03-01-2014, 03:50 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Atkutuq View Post
Jesus Said - Of all that thou hast given to Me - I have not lost one.

John 17

So if Jesus didn't loose any - ??? Who was lost ??? or blotted out ?
Those who walked away.
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Old 03-01-2014, 04:02 PM
 
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Index?? . . . . General Index??
Croref; I am wrong; I mis-interpreted your question.

Is the name Atkutuq mentioned in the bible; Sure it is - All names are recorded in the book of life.

Every name of every person ever created by God is cataloged in a most unusual book.

This is beyond Human comprehension and understanding.

First of all; Man places to many "human limits" on God.

The bible was written by men, it has too many errors, it is full of contradictions. etc.

Mathematics don't / doesn't lie - It is the total sum of "truth".

God wrote the bible; it is exactly as He wants it to be & He provided proof beyond dispute.

The very first (human) name & the very last (human )name in the New Testament is Δαβίδ -David

Jesus is the First & the Last name mentioned in the New Testament

I guess your attempt at sarcasm fell flat.

I guess the obvious was over your head - Index is not considered a "name"

I'm sure you can point out where I am wrong (Again).
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Old 03-01-2014, 04:14 PM
 
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Those who walked away.
Then what you are indirectly implying is that Jesus misrepresented Himself in Luke 15?

I will have to apologize to you here and now because I am totally lost in your understanding here.

If someone walks away ??

What part of NOTHING can't you understand -?

Nothing can separate us from the Love of God
.(Romans 8) If we wander or walk away the good Shepard will go after HIM.(Luke 15).

your (human) reasoning is different from what the Bible says.

I am sure you can come up with (verses). Plenty of them - But I apologize to you because it seems to me you are contradicting God's Words.

Or I am totally wrong on what the bible teaches.

"Of all that the Father has given Me Jesus Said: I have lost none!" ?? WoW.
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Old 03-01-2014, 05:31 PM
 
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Then what you are indirectly implying is that Jesus misrepresented Himself in Luke 15?

I will have to apologize to you here and now because I am totally lost in your understanding here.

If someone walks away ??

What part of NOTHING can't you understand -?

Nothing can separate us from the Love of God
.(Romans 8) If we wander or walk away the good Shepard will go after HIM.(Luke 15).

your (human) reasoning is different from what the Bible says.

I am sure you can come up with (verses). Plenty of them - But I apologize to you because it seems to me you are contradicting God's Words.

Or I am totally wrong on what the bible teaches.

"Of all that the Father has given Me Jesus Said: I have lost none!" ?? WoW.
In the context it is referring to the Apostles and nothing makes it a list through all history since then.

Plus several did walk away like the rich young ruler.

The ones God gave him were those he walked with. He lost none of them.

Look at VS 12. The son of perdition WAS lost.

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

In context even one God gave him was lost. The "but" qualifies it. Can't apply it beyond the context.
Thus the context indicates a limited number of people.The Apostles.
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Old 03-01-2014, 05:33 PM
 
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In the context it is referring to the Apostles and nothing makes it a list through all history since then.

Plus several did walk away like the rich young ruler.

The ones God gave him were those he walked with. He lost none of them.

Look at VS 12. The son of perdition WAS lost.

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

In context even one God gave him was lost. The "but" qualifies it. Can't apply it beyond the context.
Thus the context indicates a limited number of people.The Apostles.
This is for the apostles - That is for the Jews & all we are left with is John 3:16

nice nice!!
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Old 09-01-2016, 01:49 PM
 
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Some believe the "book of life" is different from the "Lambs book of life. What say you and why?

If two, what is the difference between them that Jesus should make the difference? Here is what I am getting at:

Exodus 32:31–33 (KJV 1900)
"And Moses returned unto the LORD, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin—; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book". No Jesus in this.



However, we have this:

Revelation 3:4–6 (KJV 1900)
"Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy. He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches." In this example we see Jesus making the declaration.
Usually when a book has a different title it is a different book. I see no reason to think the Bible changes that. Also, IMO, the book you just mentioned, My book, is a third book, also called Your book in v32 by Moses.

Also notice that in Rev 20:12 the books, plural were opened and another book was opened which is the book of life. So we have at least 3 book. Also, the people were judged from the books, plural. Those books can't be the Lamb's book of Life because the ones in that book will not be judged(Jn 5:24 & Jn 3:18).

The important thing is to assure yourself that you name is in the only one that will get you into heaven.
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Old 09-01-2016, 01:51 PM
 
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One book.

Jesus' earthly ministry was centuries in the future in Exodus.

Read into the context of each and it should become clear.
Rev 20:12 mentions books, plural, and the book of life. So there has to be at least 3 books
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Old 09-01-2016, 01:53 PM
 
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Not sure the term "Lamb" was used in the OT regarding the Book of Life.

I do think there is one book of life. However there are other books per Revelation 21:27.

How did anyone get their name in that book? Faith in God - and a relationship with God. Abraham believed God, and it was credited to Him as righteousness.
More than one book according to Rev 20:12.
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Old 09-01-2016, 01:56 PM
 
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I guess you missed this...Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


"that true believers would not try to take away or add to the Bible.

The bible is all about Jesus Christ; He is the main character of every book in the entire bible - That is the Lamb's book of life.

There is only one book. Get over it!
Not according to Rev 20:12.
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Old 09-01-2016, 01:58 PM
 
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Two books. One now and a name can be erased. One in the Millennium of Christ where those raised from the dad can have their name written it or not.
AT least 3--Rev 20:12
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