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And again, if the rapture and resurrection of the church occurred after the Tribulation there would be no mortals left to go into the Millennium.
I don't think you understand why the elect/remnant are 'changed' or rise from the dead and the purpose [God's Plan] for 1,000 yrs. I also don't think you have either noticed or understand Paul's use of the personal pronoun, *"we" and what Paul was really teaching in 1 Thess. 4.
Re 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Re 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Why are the elect/remnant called kings and priests and what are they going to be doing during the Mill? They are going to be teaching. Who? The unsaved/uneducated ppl that enter the Mill in their mortal bodies.
Paul does indeed say that the rapture of the church is pre-tribulational. In 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 he speaks of the rapture or catching up of the church. He then proceeds to write of the day of the Lord in 1 Thess. 5:1-10 which begins with the Tribulation. In verse 9 he states that God has not destined us (the church) for wrath, but for obtaining salvation (deliverance - rescue) through our Lord Jesus Christ. The deliverance is from the wrath of the day of the Lord which is the context and which again begins with the Tribulational period.
After Paul had written that letter false teachers came and tried to refute Paul and convince the Thessalonians that the day of the Lord had come upon them. This prompted Paul to reassure them in his second letter to them that the day of the Lord had not come and could not come until certain things happened. In 2 Thessalonians 2 Paul explained that the apostasy had to come first, and that the man of lawlessness had to be revealed. He said that the man of lawlessness could not be revealed until that which restrains him is taken out of the way. There is only one thing that can restrain the appearance of the man of lawlessness, and that is the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit within the church-age believer. When the church is taken off the earth, the Holy Spirit while still present since He is omnipresent will lift his restraint which will allow the man of lawlessness to appear.
And as has been shown, the rapture of the church cannot be post-tribulational or else there would be no mortals to enter into the Millennial kingdom.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
The Rapture of the church - 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up (harpazó) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
The Greek word harpazó is translated into Latin as Rapturo from which we get the word Rapture. So the catching up of the church is what is commonly called the rapture of the church and is plainly taught by Paul. The resurrection of the church occurs at the time of the rapture or catching up of the church.
And again, if the rapture and resurrection of the church occurred after the Tribulation there would be no mortals left to go into the Millennium.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
I never said anything about complete annihilation.
At the judgment of the nations (which is not the great white throne judgment which will take place a thousand years later) which will be held following the Tribulation, and which will take place in the valley of Jehoshaphat (Joel 3:2), all unbelievers (and yes, the goats are unbelievers) will be cast off the earth and into the eternal fire as per Matthew 25:41. The Millennial kingdom will begin with believers only. If all believers were to be raptured and resurrected when Christ returns, and since all Tribulational unbelievers will be cast off the earth, that would leave no one to go into the Millennial kingdom in their natural bodies.
And again, Paul made it clear in his first letter to the Thessalonians that the church will not go through the Tribulation (1 Thess. 4:13-5:10), and then, since false teachers tried to convince the Thessalonians that the day of the Lord had come upon them, reassured them in his second letter that they would not go though the Tribulation (2 Thess. 2:1-9).
In 'Things to Come, a Study in Biblical Eschatology', J. Dwight Pentecost presents the various views of the rapture of the church (Pre-tribulational, post-tribulational, mid-tribulational, and partial rapture.) J. Dwight Pentecost - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
John F. Walvoord in 'Major Bible Prophecies' also presents the various rapture views.
Bio- John F Walvoord | Walvoord.com
Thomas Ice is the Executive Director of the Pre-Trib Research Center in Wash. D.C. The Research Center was founded a few years ago by Tim LaHaye and Mr. Ice to research, teach, proclaim, and defend pretribulationism. Listed below are some articles written by Ice that clearly defines and contends for a pre-trib end time scenario.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
I don't think you understand why the elect/remnant are 'changed' or rise from the dead and the purpose [God's Plan] for 1,000 yrs. I also don't think you have either noticed or understand Paul's use of the personal pronoun, *"we" and what Paul was really teaching in 1 Thess. 4.
Re 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Re 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Why are the elect/remnant called kings and priests and what are they going to be doing during the Mill? They are going to be teaching. Who? The unsaved/uneducated ppl that enter the Mill in their mortal bodies.
*more on this later, but gotta run for now.....
You may think whatever you wish. But while there will be people born in the Millennial kingdom who will not accept Christ as Savior, the Millennium will not start out with any unbelievers for the reason I already stated above.
On this fact, Dr. Thomas Ice writes,
Third, premillennial posttribulationism has no answer to their problem of who will populate the millennium if the rapture and second coming occur at the same time. Since all believers will be translated at the rapture and all unbelievers judged, because no unrighteous shall be allowed to enter Christ's kingdom, then no one would be left in mortal bodies to start the population base for the millennium. The pre-trib viewpoint does not have a problem at this point. The Rapture and the Second Coming: An Important Distinction
Pastor Robert B. Thieme JR. writes,
The Millennial civilization begins with believers only. All Jewish and Gentile unbelievers are removed through the Baptism of Fire. The unbelieving Jews are judged according to Malachi 3:2-5; 4:1, 2 and Ezekiel 20:37, 38. The judgment of unbelieving Gentiles is given in Matthew 25:31-46. The word ''nations'' in verse 32 refers to Gentiles. [Dispensations, Robert B. Thieme, JR., p.23.]
As for what Paul really taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:10 as well as 2 Thessalonians 2:1-9, I have already covered that. But if you disagree, then you disagree.
I will add what J. Dwight Pentecost writes regarding 2 Thessalonians 2.
J. The work of the Restrainer in 2 Thessalonians 2. The Thessalonian Christians were concerned for fear that the rapture had already taken place and they were in the day of the Lord. The persecutions which they were enduring, as referred to in the first chapter, had given them a basis for this erroneous consideration. Paul writes to show them that such a thing was impossible. First, he shows them in verse 3 that the day of the Lord could not take place until there was a departure. Whether this departure be a departure from the faith or a departure of the saints from the earth, as already mentioned in verse 1, is beside the point here. Second, he reveals there was to be the manifestation of the man of sin, or the lawless one, further described in Revelation 13. Paul's argument in verse 7 is that although the mystery of iniquity was operative in his day, that is, the lawless system that was to culminate in the person of the lawless one was manifesting itself, yet this lawless one could not be manifested until the Restrainer was taken out of the way. In other words, some One is preventing the purpose of Satan from coming to culmination and He will keep on performing this ministry until He is removed (vv.7-8). Explanations as to the person of this Restrainer such as human government, law, the visible church will not suffice, for they will all continue in a measure after the manifestation of this lawless one. While this is essentially an exegetical problem, it would seem that the only One who could do such a restraining ministry would be the Holy Spirit. This problem will be considered in detail later. However, the indication here is that as long as the Holy Spirit is resident within the church, which is His temple, this restraining work will continue and the man of sin cannot be revealed. It is only when the church, the temple, is removed that this restraining ministry ceases and lawlessness can produce the lawless one. It should be noted that the Holy Spirit does not cease His ministries with the removal of the church, nor does He cease to be omnipresent, with her removal, but the restraining ministry does cease.
Thus, this ministry of the Restrainer, which will continue as long as His temple is on the earth and which must cease before the lawless one can be revealed, requires the pretribulation rapture of the church, for Daniel 9:27 reveals that that lawless one will be manifested at the beginning of the week. ['Things To Come, A Study in Biblical Eschatology,' J. Dwight Pentecost, pp.204-205.]
I have spent enough time on this. I'm not interested in debating the issue. You can agree or disagree with what I have said, and with what those whom I have referenced have said.
Yes. Revelation 20:4. Tribulational saints who are martyred will be resurrected when Christ returns at the end of the Tribulation.
Not an opinion. The Millennium will be a unique period of human history in a number of ways. One of which will be the fact that both mortal man and resurrected humanity will co-exist during the Millennium. People will die in the Millennium as Isaiah 65:20 which pertains to the Millennium shows.
Isaiah 65:20 "No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed.
I'm sure you realize that resurrected humanity will not be subject to physical death. This means that there has to be people who are not resurrected at the time that Christ returns so that there are mortals to go into the Millennial kingdom. People will be born during the Millennium, and there will be instances in which people will die.
Now if Tribulational believers and church-age believers were one and the same, and if the rapture and resurrection of the church were post-Tribulational, there would be no mortal believers left to go into the Millennium.
Jesus says that 5 wise virgins have enough oil to make it through the night to meet the bridegroom and 5 foolish virgins have not enough oil, so they do not go to the wedding, they are the ones that are not "raptured", but go with their mortal bodies into the Millennium in a Post-trib. But if you agree that the "Tribulation" saints are resurrected with immortal bodies and are the First Resurrection (Rev 20:4+5), than they belong to the church and the church age ends after the tribulation, this agrees with the dispensation of grace, which also ends with the second coming. Greek "protos" means the first of all, that excludes a First Resurrection in stages, a former First Resurrection 7 years before the second coming of the LORD. 1. Cor 15 agrees wth it and speaks of a resurrection at the second coming (singular and not plural for those that have died in the LORD and that includes the Tribulation saints in a main resurrection (Rev 14:13) in a Post-trib. Because the dead are raised first, their is no Rapture before the First Resurrection of Rev 20:4+5. Furthermore the bible teaches a harvest at the end together with the destruction of the wicked at the second coming (Mat 13 and Rev 14), that excludes also a Rapture 7 years before Jesus comes back, He did not teach in Mat 24 two comings, but only one after the tribulation. Paul says in 2.Thess 2:1-10 concerning the Gathering (Rapture), that day is not before the falling away and the Antichrist is revealed. That excludes also a Pre-trib. All the assumptions of two second comings. two First Resurrections, a church age ending 7 years before the end of this age and the twisting of 2. Thess 2 do not proof any "truth" of a Pre-trib.
The church will not go through the Tribulation. The rapture of the church is pre-tribulational as Paul clearly taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:10.
A post-tribulational rapture of the church is impossible because since the church-age believer receives his resurrection body at the time of the rapture (1 Cor. 15:51-54), if all the saints are raptured and resurrected at the time of Christ's return at the end of the Tribulation then there would be no mortal believers to go into the Millennium to repopulate the earth. Tribulational believers who are not martyred, but who live to the end of the Tribulation will go into the Millennial kingdom in their natural bodies and will still have their sin natures. And they will be subject to physical death.
Since the church is raptured before the Tribulation begins, this allows time for Jews and Gentiles to be saved during the Tribulation, and those who are not martyred will be the saints with which the Millennial kingdom begins.
Unbelievers who are alive at the time of the rapture of the church will have an opportunity to believe in Christ and be eternally saved, but they will go through some or all of that Tribulational period.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
Yes. Revelation 20:4. Tribulational saints who are martyred will be resurrected when Christ returns at the end of the Tribulation.
Not an opinion. The Millennium will be a unique period of human history in a number of ways. One of which will be the fact that both mortal man and resurrected humanity will co-exist during the Millennium. People will die in the Millennium as Isaiah 65:20 which pertains to the Millennium shows.
Isaiah 65:20 "No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed.
I'm sure you realize that resurrected humanity will not be subject to physical death. This means that there has to be people who are not resurrected at the time that Christ returns so that there are mortals to go into the Millennial kingdom. People will be born during the Millennium, and there will be instances in which people will die.
Now if Tribulational believers and church-age believers were one and the same, and if the rapture and resurrection of the church were post-Tribulational, there would be no mortal believers left to go into the Millennium.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
Paul does indeed say that the rapture of the church is pre-tribulational. In 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 he speaks of the rapture or catching up of the church. He then proceeds to write of the day of the Lord in 1 Thess. 5:1-10 which begins with the Tribulation. In verse 9 he states that God has not destined us (the church) for wrath, but for obtaining salvation (deliverance - rescue) through our Lord Jesus Christ. The deliverance is from the wrath of the day of the Lord which is the context and which again begins with the Tribulational period.
After Paul had written that letter false teachers came and tried to refute Paul and convince the Thessalonians that the day of the Lord had come upon them. This prompted Paul to reassure them in his second letter to them that the day of the Lord had not come and could not come until certain things happened. In 2 Thessalonians 2 Paul explained that the apostasy had to come first, and that the man of lawlessness had to be revealed. He said that the man of lawlessness could not be revealed until that which restrains him is taken out of the way. There is only one thing that can restrain the appearance of the man of lawlessness, and that is the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit within the church-age believer. When the church is taken off the earth, the Holy Spirit while still present since He is omnipresent will lift his restraint which will allow the man of lawlessness to appear.
And as has been shown, the rapture of the church cannot be post-tribulational or else there would be no mortals to enter into the Millennial kingdom.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
The Rapture of the church - 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up (harpazó) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
The Greek word harpazó is translated into Latin as Rapturo from which we get the word Rapture. So the catching up of the church is what is commonly called the rapture of the church and is plainly taught by Paul. The resurrection of the church occurs at the time of the rapture or catching up of the church.
And again, if the rapture and resurrection of the church occurred after the Tribulation there would be no mortals left to go into the Millennium.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
I never said anything about complete annihilation.
At the judgment of the nations (which is not the great white throne judgment which will take place a thousand years later) which will be held following the Tribulation, and which will take place in the valley of Jehoshaphat (Joel 3:2), all unbelievers (and yes, the goats are unbelievers) will be cast off the earth and into the eternal fire as per Matthew 25:41. The Millennial kingdom will begin with believers only. If all believers were to be raptured and resurrected when Christ returns, and since all Tribulational unbelievers will be cast off the earth, that would leave no one to go into the Millennial kingdom in their natural bodies.
And again, Paul made it clear in his first letter to the Thessalonians that the church will not go through the Tribulation (1 Thess. 4:13-5:10), and then, since false teachers tried to convince the Thessalonians that the day of the Lord had come upon them, reassured them in his second letter that they would not go though the Tribulation (2 Thess. 2:1-9).
In 'Things to Come, a Study in Biblical Eschatology', J. Dwight Pentecost presents the various views of the rapture of the church (Pre-tribulational, post-tribulational, mid-tribulational, and partial rapture.) J. Dwight Pentecost - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
John F. Walvoord in 'Major Bible Prophecies' also presents the various rapture views.
Bio- John F Walvoord | Walvoord.com
Thomas Ice is the Executive Director of the Pre-Trib Research Center in Wash. D.C. The Research Center was founded a few years ago by Tim LaHaye and Mr. Ice to research, teach, proclaim, and defend pretribulationism. Listed below are some articles written by Ice that clearly defines and contends for a pre-trib end time scenario.
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Originally Posted by Mike555
You may think whatever you wish. But while there will be people born in the Millennial kingdom who will not accept Christ as Savior, the Millennium will not start out with any unbelievers for the reason I already stated above.
On this fact, Dr. Thomas Ice writes,
Third, premillennial posttribulationism has no answer to their problem of who will populate the millennium if the rapture and second coming occur at the same time. Since all believers will be translated at the rapture and all unbelievers judged, because no unrighteous shall be allowed to enter Christ's kingdom, then no one would be left in mortal bodies to start the population base for the millennium. The pre-trib viewpoint does not have a problem at this point. The Rapture and the Second Coming: An Important Distinction
Pastor Robert B. Thieme JR. writes,
The Millennial civilization begins with believers only. All Jewish and Gentile unbelievers are removed through the Baptism of Fire. The unbelieving Jews are judged according to Malachi 3:2-5; 4:1, 2 and Ezekiel 20:37, 38. The judgment of unbelieving Gentiles is given in Matthew 25:31-46. The word ''nations'' in verse 32 refers to Gentiles. [Dispensations, Robert B. Thieme, JR., p.23.]
As for what Paul really taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:10 as well as 2 Thessalonians 2:1-9, I have already covered that. But if you disagree, then you disagree.
I will add what J. Dwight Pentecost writes regarding 2 Thessalonians 2.
J. The work of the Restrainer in 2 Thessalonians 2. The Thessalonian Christians were concerned for fear that the rapture had already taken place and they were in the day of the Lord. The persecutions which they were enduring, as referred to in the first chapter, had given them a basis for this erroneous consideration. Paul writes to show them that such a thing was impossible. First, he shows them in verse 3 that the day of the Lord could not take place until there was a departure. Whether this departure be a departure from the faith or a departure of the saints from the earth, as already mentioned in verse 1, is beside the point here. Second, he reveals there was to be the manifestation of the man of sin, or the lawless one, further described in Revelation 13. Paul's argument in verse 7 is that although the mystery of iniquity was operative in his day, that is, the lawless system that was to culminate in the person of the lawless one was manifesting itself, yet this lawless one could not be manifested until the Restrainer was taken out of the way. In other words, some One is preventing the purpose of Satan from coming to culmination and He will keep on performing this ministry until He is removed (vv.7-8). Explanations as to the person of this Restrainer such as human government, law, the visible church will not suffice, for they will all continue in a measure after the manifestation of this lawless one. While this is essentially an exegetical problem, it would seem that the only One who could do such a restraining ministry would be the Holy Spirit. This problem will be considered in detail later. However, the indication here is that as long as the Holy Spirit is resident within the church, which is His temple, this restraining work will continue and the man of sin cannot be revealed. It is only when the church, the temple, is removed that this restraining ministry ceases and lawlessness can produce the lawless one. It should be noted that the Holy Spirit does not cease His ministries with the removal of the church, nor does He cease to be omnipresent, with her removal, but the restraining ministry does cease.
Thus, this ministry of the Restrainer, which will continue as long as His temple is on the earth and which must cease before the lawless one can be revealed, requires the pretribulation rapture of the church, for Daniel 9:27 reveals that that lawless one will be manifested at the beginning of the week. ['Things To Come, A Study in Biblical Eschatology,' J. Dwight Pentecost, pp.204-205.]
I have spent enough time on this. I'm not interested in debating the issue. You can agree or disagree with what I have said, and with what those whom I have referenced have said.
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Originally Posted by Zur
Jesus says that 5 wise virgins have enough oil to make it through the night to meet the bridegroom and 5 foolish virgins have not enough oil, so they do not go to the wedding, they are the ones that are not "raptured", but go with their mortal bodies into the Millennium in a Post-trib. But if you agree that the "Tribulation" saints are resurrected with immortal bodies and are the First Resurrection (Rev 20:4+5), than they belong to the church and the church age ends after the tribulation, this agrees with the dispensation of grace, which also ends with the second coming. Greek "protos" means the first of all, that excludes a First Resurrection in stages, a former First Resurrection 7 years before the second coming of the LORD. 1. Cor 15 agrees wth it and speaks of a resurrection at the second coming (singular and not plural for those that have died in the LORD and that includes the Tribulation saints in a main resurrection (Rev 14:13) in a Post-trib. Because the dead are raised first, their is no Rapture before the First Resurrection of Rev 20:4+5. Furthermore the bible teaches a harvest at the end together with the destruction of the wicked at the second coming (Mat 13 and Rev 14), that excludes also a Rapture 7 years before Jesus comes back, He did not teach in Mat 24 two comings, but only one after the tribulation. Paul says in 2.Thess 2:1-10 concerning the Gathering (Rapture), that day is not before the falling away and the Antichrist is revealed. That excludes also a Pre-trib. All the assumptions of two second comings. two First Resurrections, a church age ending 7 years before the end of this age and the twisting of 2. Thess 2 do not proof any "truth" of a Pre-trib.
The Tribulational martyrs who will be resurrected as per Revelation 20:4 do not belong to the church which is a unique people who are called out between the day of Pentecost 50 days after the resurrection of Christ and the rapture of the church prior to the Tribulation. The Tribulation belongs to Daniels 70 week prophecy. And just as the church had nothing to do with the first 69 weeks of the prophecy, neither does the church have anything to do with the 70th week of the prophecy which is the time of Jacob's trouble (Jeremiah 30:7) - What is the time of Jacob’s trouble?
The first resurrection includes believers of all dispensations but takes place in stages. The church is resurrected at the rapture of the church prior to the Tribulation, while Old Testament saints and Tribulational saints will be resurrected after the Tribulation.
As for the parable of the ten virgins in Matthew chapter 25, the church is not found in either Matthew chapters 24 or 25 which is Jesus' Olivet Discourse.
Here is what the Bible Knowledge Commentary says concerning that parable.
I hold to the pre-tribulational view of the rapture and I have provided scriptural proof of the validity of that view both in this thread and in a number of my own threads.
In posting this I see that I said back on the 10th at the bottom of post #32 that I had spent enough time on this thread. Having been reminded of that, I will restate it.
''I have spent enough time on this. I'm not interested in debating the issue. You can agree or disagree with what I have said, and with what those whom I have referenced have said.''
The Tribulational martyrs who will be resurrected as per Revelation 20:4 do not belong to the church which is a unique people who are called out between the day of Pentecost 50 days after the resurrection of Christ and the rapture of the church prior to the Tribulation. The Tribulation belongs to Daniels 70 week prophecy. And just as the church had nothing to do with the first 69 weeks of the prophecy, neither does the church have anything to do with the 70th week of the prophecy which is the time of Jacob's trouble (Jeremiah 30:7) - What is the time of Jacob’s trouble?
The first resurrection includes believers of all dispensations but takes place in stages. The church is resurrected at the rapture of the church prior to the Tribulation, while Old Testament saints and Tribulational saints will be resurrected after the Tribulation.
As for the parable of the ten virgins in Matthew chapter 25, the church is not found in either Matthew chapters 24 or 25 which is Jesus' Olivet Discourse.
Here is what the Bible Knowledge Commentary says concerning that parable.
I hold to the pre-tribulational view of the rapture and I have provided scriptural proof of the validity of that view both in this thread and in a number of my own threads.
In posting this I see that I said back on the 10th at the bottom of post #32 that I had spent enough time on this thread. Having been reminded of that, I will restate it.
''I have spent enough time on this. I'm not interested in debating the issue. You can agree or disagree with what I have said, and with what those whom I have referenced have said.''
There is enough said. Your claim that the First Resurrection is split in one half of the church and the other half of the First Resurrection in another group, the Tribulation saints who die in the Lord and reign with Him a 1000 years, saying that they do not belong to the church, is proof enough how faulty your arguments are. BTW the OT saints belong also to the church. They are now in Heaven and they are the true Israel of God and are in the New Jerusalem, the bride of Christ. Abraham and King David belong to the bride, the Israel of God, the true church.
In The Name of The One And The Only God. Peace Be Upon You. Thanks for your reply 2ndpillar.
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Dear devotee,
Actually, only "a third of the earth and a third of the trees were burned up" (Rev 8:7) As per Mt 24:22, it will be bad, but the time will "be cut short", so that the sake of the "elect", or "no life would have been "saved". Only the grass was "all" burned up. (Rev 8:7) .
An hour in time could be considered a short period. Although your 2040 does coincide with that of Isaac Newton's prediction. Everything is set on the table except the Mt 24:14, which can happen in the stroke of an "enter" key.
With the earth's lack of stability, I do not foresee that it would be habitable. The mountains are a type of anchorage for the earth.
47. One Day We shall remove the mountains, and thou wilt see the earth as a level stretch, and We shall gather them, all together, nor shall We leave out any one of them.
48. And they will be marshalled before thy Lord in ranks, [with the announcement], "Now have ye come to Us [bare] as We created you first: aye, ye thought We shall not fulfil the appointment made to you to meet [Us]!":
49. And the Book [of Deeds] will be placed [before you]; and thou wilt see the sinful in great terror because of what is [recorded] therein; they will say, "Ah! woe to us! what a Book is this! It leaves out nothing small or great, but takes account thereof!" They will find all that they did, placed before them: And not one will thy Lord treat with injustice. Surah Al-Kahf
In The Name of The One And The Only God. Peace Be Upon You. As I've stated in an earlier post, I 'm unable to follow what is being said in those posts. Rapture? Pre-tribulational? etcetera. But we are in the "Hour." Which leads to the Day of Judgment, the last Day. Are there no 'signs' of the "Hour."
I used to listen to Harold Camping's bible study broadcasts years ago. I believe his announcing the end of the world, was a little premature. But, I do not doubt that the end is near. Most people today, laugh when they hear of the end times. I can accept that this planet will be left barren, because we are surrounded by barren planets. Where did the life forms on those planets, remove to? Need I give a hint? Wa salaam. devotee
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