How does one make Preparation for the "Day of the Lord" (traditions, messages)
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As the "Day of the Lord" is shown as having the angels of death unleash destruction (Rev 9:14 & Ex 9), how is one to make Preparation, as was shown in the original Passover, with respect to the angels of death?
The Preparation Day is the day in which one prepares for the Passover, a high holy Sabbath, which occurs on the 14thday of the 1st month, on which the angel of death flew over Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, and the angel of death leaves the first born alive, if the blood of the lamb was put on the lintel of the house.. The 15th day of the 1stmonth is the first day of the Days of Unleavened Bread, which is a high holy Sabbath. Israel is now “scattered among the nations” (Joel 3:2). Preparation day is the day that leaven iscleaned from the house of Israel. This would be the spiritual equivalent of getting rid of the hypocrisy (Mt 16:11). This would be the getting rid of the traditions of men, which would be the babble of Paul for the “Christians”, and getting rid of the Talmud (Jewish traditions) for the Jews, which are messages of confusion.
The significance for today would be in [b]Isaiah 24, whereas the “Lord lays the earth waste”,….Theearth is also[/B polluted by its inhabitants,for they transgressed laws, violated statutes, broke the everlastingcovenant….Lord will punish the host of heaven, .. and the kings on earth,…the moon will be abashed and the sunashamed…for the Lord of hosts will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem…theinhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men are left… he who flees at thereport of disaster will fall into the pit…. earth is broken asunder.” Is 1:26,"restore the judges as at the first," which is to say get rid of the shepherds "who have no understanding" (56:11) in respect to the Talmud (the judges) of the Jews, and the self professed apostle and Pharisee prophet of the "Christians". (John 5:31)
The present situation is that Judah and Jerusalem have been restored, the nationshave gathered against Jerusalem (Joel 3:1-2), the pope is planning to assume authority over a portion of Mt Zion inJerusalem in June of this year (Is 24:23), and that of rampant pollution insome areas, we will again have a blood moon and eclipse on Passover of this year. This corresponds with the nations conspiring against Judah and Jerusalem with respect to Joel 3:2 and Psalms 83. The consequences of all of the above being that the table is set for the “earth will be laid bare”, and we will be in the midst of the Great Tribulation, in which “the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men are left.” (Is 24:6)(Mt 24:21-22)
What can one do? I suggest cleaning out the leaven in preparation for the angels of death coming at Passover, and follow the advice of Isaiah 26:20:
Isaiah26:20 NASCome, mypeople, enter into your rooms And close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while Until indignation runs its course.
Matthew 16:11 NAS"How is it that you do not understand that Idid not speak to you concerning bread ? But beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees."
John 19:14NASNow it wasthe day of preparationfor the Passover ; it was about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews,"Behold, your King !"
1 Kings 6:31 NAS For theentrance of the inner sanctuary he made doors of olive wood, the lintel andfive-sided doorposts.
Exodus 12:23 NAS [A Memorial of Redemption] "For the LORD will passthrough to smite the Egyptians ; and when He sees the blood on the lintel andon the two doorposts, the LORD will pass over the door and will not allow thedestroyer to come in to your houses to smite you
Deuteronomy 8:3 NAS "He humbled you and let you be hungry, and fed you with manna which you did not know, nor did your fathers know, that He might make you understand that man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by everything that proceeds outof the mouth of the LORD.
Amos 5:15 NASHateevil, love good, And establish justicein the gate ! Perhaps the LORD God of hosts May be gracious to the remnantof Joseph.
As the "Day of the Lord" is shown as having the angels of death unleash destruction (Rev 9:14 & Ex 9), how is one to make Preparation, as was shown in the original Passover, with respect to the angels of death?
The Preparation Day is the day in which one prepares for the Passover, a high holy Sabbath, which occurs on the 14thday of the 1st month, on which the angel of death flew over Israel, who dwelt in Egypt, and the angel of death leaves the first born alive, if the blood of the lamb was put on the lintel of the house.. The 15th day of the 1stmonth is the first day of the Days of Unleavened Bread, which is a high holy Sabbath. Israel is now “scattered among the nations” (Joel 3:2). Preparation day is the day that leaven iscleaned from the house of Israel. This would be the spiritual equivalent of getting rid of the hypocrisy (Mt 16:11). This would be the getting rid of the traditions of men, which would be the babble of Paul for the “Christians”, and getting rid of the Talmud (Jewish traditions) for the Jews, which are messages of confusion.
The significance for today would be in Isaiah 24, whereas the “Lord lays the earth waste”,….Theearth is also polluted by its inhabitants,for they transgressed laws, violated statutes, broke the everlastingcovenant….Lord will punish the host of heaven, .. and the kings on earth,…the [b]moon will be abashed[/B[b] and the sunashamed…for the Lord of hosts will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem…theinhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men are left… he who flees at thereport of disaster will fall into the pit…. earth is broken asunder.” Is 1:26,"restore the judges as at the first," which is to say get rid of the shepherds "who have no understanding" (56:11) in respect to the Talmud (the judges) of the Jews, and the self professed apostle and Pharisee prophet of the "Christians". (John 5:31)[/color]
The present situation is that Judah and Jerusalem have been restored, the nationshave gathered against Jerusalem (Joel 3:1-2), the pope is planning to assume authority over a portion of Mt Zion inJerusalem in June of this year (Is 24:23), and that of rampant pollution insome areas, we will again have a blood moon and eclipse on Passover of this year. This corresponds with the nations conspiring against Judah and Jerusalem with respect to Joel 3:2 and Psalms 83. The consequences of all of the above being that the table is set for the “earth will be laid bare”, and we will be in the midst of the Great Tribulation, in which “the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men are left.” (Is 24:6)(Mt 24:21-22)
What can one do? I suggest cleaning out the leaven in preparation for the angels of death coming at Passover, and follow the advice of Isaiah 26:20:
Isaiah26:20 NASCome, mypeople, enter into your rooms And close your doors behind you; Hide for a little while Until indignation runs its course.
Matthew 16:11 NAS"How is it that you do not understand that Idid not speak to you concerning bread ? But beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees."
John 19:14NASNow it wasthe day of preparationfor the Passover ; it was about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews,"Behold, your King !"
1 Kings 6:31 NAS For theentrance of the inner sanctuary he made doors of olive wood, the lintel andfive-sided doorposts.
Exodus 12:23 NAS [A Memorial of Redemption] "For the LORD will passthrough to smite the Egyptians ; and when He sees the blood on the lintel andon the two doorposts, the LORD will pass over the door and will not allow thedestroyer to come in to your houses to smite you[/color]
Deuteronomy 8:3 NAS "He humbled you and let you be hungry, and fed you with manna which you did not know, nor did your fathers know, that He might make you understand that man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by everything that proceeds outof the mouth of the LORD.[/color]
Amos 5:15 NASHateevil, love good, And establish justicein the gate ! Perhaps the LORD God of hosts May be gracious to the remnantof Joseph.
The church will not go through the Tribulation. The rapture of the church is pre-tribulational as Paul clearly taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:10.
A post-tribulational rapture of the church is impossible because since the church-age believer receives his resurrection body at the time of the rapture (1 Cor. 15:51-54), if all the saints are raptured and resurrected at the time of Christ's return at the end of the Tribulation then there would be no mortal believers to go into the Millennium to repopulate the earth. Tribulational believers who are not martyred, but who live to the end of the Tribulation will go into the Millennial kingdom in their natural bodies and will still have their sin natures. And they will be subject to physical death.
Since the church is raptured before the Tribulation begins, this allows time for Jews and Gentiles to be saved during the Tribulation, and those who are not martyred will be the saints with which the Millennial kingdom begins.
Unbelievers who are alive at the time of the rapture of the church will have an opportunity to believe in Christ and be eternally saved, but they will go through some or all of that Tribulational period.
The church will not go through the Tribulation. The rapture of the church is pre-tribulational as Paul clearly taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:10.
A post-tribulational rapture of the church is impossible because since the church-age believer receives his resurrection body at the time of the rapture (1 Cor. 15:51-54), if all the saints are raptured and resurrected at the time of Christ's return at the end of the Tribulation then there would be no mortal believers to go into the Millennium to repopulate the earth. Tribulational believers who are not martyred, but who live to the end of the Tribulation will go into the Millennial kingdom in their natural bodies and will still have their sin natures. And they will be subject to physical death.
Since the church is raptured before the Tribulation begins, this allows time for Jews and Gentiles to be saved during the Tribulation, and those who are not martyred will be the saints with which the Millennial kingdom begins.
Unbelievers who are alive at the time of the rapture of the church will have an opportunity to believe in Christ and be eternally saved, but they will go through some or all of that Tribulational period.
The church will not go through the Tribulation. The rapture of the church is pre-tribulational as Paul clearly taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:10.
A post-tribulational rapture of the church is impossible because since the church-age believer receives his resurrection body at the time of the rapture (1 Cor. 15:51-54), if all the saints are raptured and resurrected at the time of Christ's return at the end of the Tribulation then there would be no mortal believers to go into the Millennium to repopulate the earth. Tribulational believers who are not martyred, but who live to the end of the Tribulation will go into the Millennial kingdom in their natural bodies and will still have their sin natures. And they will be subject to physical death.
Since the church is raptured before the Tribulation begins, this allows time for Jews and Gentiles to be saved during the Tribulation, and those who are not martyred will be the saints with which the Millennial kingdom begins.
Unbelievers who are alive at the time of the rapture of the church will have an opportunity to believe in Christ and be eternally saved, but they will go through some or all of that Tribulational period.
The bible says that the "Tribulation" saints, that die are in the First Resurrection, get an immortal body and reign with Christ in the Millennium. You can explain, why the same saints that remain alive through the Great Tribulation, according to your opinion are not changed and remain in their mortal bodies going into the Millennium. Thanks.
The best way is to move closer to God , and have His anointing on your life and body so when the fires of God come then you will endure in unity and blend into His essence ..... Like the ten virgins , five had oil of the anointing Christ , and five did not and were looking for some ...... Seek the face of God and get your oil of the anointing of Christ
The church will not go through the Tribulation. The rapture of the church is pre-tribulational as Paul clearly taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:10.
A post-tribulational rapture of the church is impossible because since the church-age believer receives his resurrection body at the time of the rapture (1 Cor. 15:51-54), if all the saints are raptured and resurrected at the time of Christ's return at the end of the Tribulation then there would be no mortal believers to go into the Millennium to repopulate the earth. Tribulational believers who are not martyred, but who live to the end of the Tribulation will go into the Millennial kingdom in their natural bodies and will still have their sin natures. And they will be subject to physical death.
Since the church is raptured before the Tribulation begins, this allows time for Jews and Gentiles to be saved during the Tribulation, and those who are not martyred will be the saints with which the Millennial kingdom begins.
Unbelievers who are alive at the time of the rapture of the church will have an opportunity to believe in Christ and be eternally saved, but they will go through some or all of that Tribulational period.
Dear Mike,
First of all, your self professed apostle and prophet Paul in 1 Thes, or 1 Cor, does not give a time frame with respect to Tribulation. If it did, there wouldn't be such a commotion among the churches of Paul. As to the step by step occurrence of events is as follows with respect to Zechariah, with corroborating verses:
1. "I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem," ZE 12:2 ,Joel 3:1 & Jer 32:44 (WWII ,Israeli war of 1948,67,73)
2. "I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle" Ze 14:2 ,Psalms 83, Joel 3:2
a. "I will gather all the nations, and bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat." Joel 3:2 & Zeph 3:8
3. "the city will be captured." Ze 14:2 & Is 24:12
4. "Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations" Ze 14:3 & Joel 3:2
a. "His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives" Ze 14:4 (Ez 11:23)
5. "and you will flee by the valley of My mountains. Then the Lord, O my God, will come, and all the holy ones with Him!" Ze 14:5 ,Rev 19:14, Mt 24:16
6. "the luminaries will dwindle." Ze 14:6 & Joel 3:15 & Is 24:22
7. "then you will know that I am the Lord your God" Joel 3:17 & Ze 12:10
8. "And the Lord will become king over all the earth:" Ze 14:9 & Is 24:23
9. "Now this will be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the peoples who have gone to war against Jerusalem; their flesh will rot while they stand on their fee, and their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongue will rot in their mouth." Ze 14:12 (radiation poisoning) (Mt 24:21)
As for who is "saved", see [b]Joel 2:32,"the survivors whom the Lord calls", and Mt 24:13, the one who endures to the end". Ez 9:1-4,"O executions of the city, each with a destroying weapon in his hand.....Go through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations ...but to the others...do not let our eye have pity."
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The church will not go through the Tribulation. The rapture of the church is pre-tribulational as Paul clearly taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:10.
A post-tribulational rapture of the church is impossible because since the church-age believer receives his resurrection body at the time of the rapture (1 Cor. 15:51-54), if all the saints are raptured and resurrected at the time of Christ's return at the end of the Tribulation then there would be no mortal believers to go into the Millennium to repopulate the earth. Tribulational believers who are not martyred, but who live to the end of the Tribulation will go into the Millennial kingdom in their natural bodies and will still have their sin natures. And they will be subject to physical death.
Since the church is raptured before the Tribulation begins, this allows time for Jews and Gentiles to be saved during the Tribulation, and those who are not martyred will be the saints with which the Millennial kingdom begins.
Unbelievers who are alive at the time of the rapture of the church will have an opportunity to believe in Christ and be eternally saved, but they will go through some or all of that Tribulational period.
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Originally Posted by Zur
The bible says that the "Tribulation" saints, that die are in the First Resurrection, get an immortal body and reign with Christ in the Millennium.
Yes. Revelation 20:4. Tribulational saints who are martyred will be resurrected when Christ returns at the end of the Tribulation.
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You can explain, why the same saints that remain alive through the Great Tribulation, according to your opinion are not changed and remain in their mortal bodies going into the Millennium. Thanks.
Not an opinion. The Millennium will be a unique period of human history in a number of ways. One of which will be the fact that both mortal man and resurrected humanity will co-exist during the Millennium. People will die in the Millennium as Isaiah 65:20 which pertains to the Millennium shows.
Isaiah 65:20 "No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed.
I'm sure you realize that resurrected humanity will not be subject to physical death. This means that there has to be people who are not resurrected at the time that Christ returns so that there are mortals to go into the Millennial kingdom. People will be born during the Millennium, and there will be instances in which people will die.
Now if Tribulational believers and church-age believers were one and the same, and if the rapture and resurrection of the church were post-Tribulational, there would be no mortal believers left to go into the Millennium.
Dear Mike,
First of all, your self professed apostle and prophet Paul in 1 Thes, or 1 Cor, does not give a time frame with respect to Tribulation. If it did, there wouldn't be such a commotion among the churches of Paul. As to the step by step occurrence of events is as follows with respect to Zechariah, with corroborating verses:
1. "I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem," ZE 12:2 ,Joel 3:1 & Jer 32:44 (WWII ,Israeli war of 1948,67,73)
2. "I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle" Ze 14:2 ,Psalms 83, Joel 3:2
a. "I will gather all the nations, and bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat." Joel 3:2 & Zeph 3:8
3. "the city will be captured." Ze 14:2 & Is 24:12
4. "Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations" Ze 14:3 & Joel 3:2
a. "His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives" Ze 14:4 (Ez 11:23)
5. "and you will flee by the valley of My mountains. Then the Lord, O my God, will come, and all the holy ones with Him!" Ze 14:5 ,Rev 19:14, Mt 24:16
6. "the luminaries will dwindle." Ze 14:6 & Joel 3:15 & Is 24:22
7. "then you will know that I am the Lord your God" Joel 3:17 & Ze 12:10
8. "And the Lord will become king over all the earth:" Ze 14:9 & Is 24:23
9. "Now this will be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the peoples who have gone to war against Jerusalem; their flesh will rot while they stand on their fee, and their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongue will rot in their mouth." Ze 14:12 (radiation poisoning) (Mt 24:21)
As for who is "saved", see Joel 2:32,"the survivors whom the Lord calls", and Mt 24:13, the one who endures to the end". Ez 9:1-4,"O executions of the city, each with a destroying weapon in his hand.....Go through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and groan over all the abominations ...but to the others...do not let our eye have pity."
Paul does indeed say that the rapture of the church is pre-tribulational. In 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 he speaks of the rapture or catching up of the church. He then proceeds to write of the day of the Lord in 1 Thess. 5:1-10 which begins with the Tribulation. In verse 9 he states that God has not destined us (the church) for wrath, but for obtaining salvation (deliverance - rescue) through our Lord Jesus Christ. The deliverance is from the wrath of the day of the Lord which is the context and which again begins with the Tribulational period.
After Paul had written that letter false teachers came and tried to refute Paul and convince the Thessalonians that the day of the Lord had come upon them. This prompted Paul to reassure them in his second letter to them that the day of the Lord had not come and could not come until certain things happened. In 2 Thessalonians 2 Paul explained that the apostasy had to come first, and that the man of lawlessness had to be revealed. He said that the man of lawlessness could not be revealed until that which restrains him is taken out of the way. There is only one thing that can restrain the appearance of the man of lawlessness, and that is the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit within the church-age believer. When the church is taken off the earth, the Holy Spirit while still present since He is omnipresent will lift his restraint which will allow the man of lawlessness to appear.
And as has been shown, the rapture of the church cannot be post-tribulational or else there would be no mortals to enter into the Millennial kingdom.
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