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Old 03-08-2014, 08:33 AM
 
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In Catholicism one has to be baptized to be saved, but does one have to be baptized to receive savior in Protestantism? Is this what Sola fide means, that faith alone saves in Protestantism, and don't have to be accompanied by baptism? Thanks
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Old 03-08-2014, 08:50 AM
 
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In Catholicism one has to be baptized to be saved, but does one have to be baptized to receive savior in Protestantism? Is this what Sola fide means, that faith alone saves in Protestantism, and don't have to be accompanied by baptism? Thanks
It depends on the denomination. A Lutheran will tell you yes--one must be baptized--or at the very least, it greatly affects one's salvation. A Church of Christ member will tell you that it is required.

Most Evangelicals will say no--you do not have to be.
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Old 03-08-2014, 09:06 AM
 
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Vizio: So you are sure that Sola fide doesn't mean that faith alone saves in Protestantism, I'm taling about Lutheran churches, thanks.
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Old 03-08-2014, 09:12 AM
 
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Vizio: So you are sure that Sola fide doesn't mean that faith alone saves in Protestantism, I'm taling about Lutheran churches, thanks.
I believe that we are saved through faith alone -- that baptism does not save us. A Lutheran will tell you that the act of baptism is a work of God, not man. On the other hand, a Lutheran will also tell you that baptism does not assure salvation, and it does not mean one is saved -- faith is still required. I'm not Lutheran, and perhaps I'm not getting it quite right---but they believe that baptism and faith work together...but they still call it faith alone, or Sola Fide.
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Old 03-08-2014, 09:21 AM
 
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Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.....key word here is 'Believe'

Many people go through life as Christians that have not been baptized. People accept Christ on their deathbeds. The thief on the cross beside Jesus was not baptized.

One can be baptized, say as an infant, but grow up non believing.
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Old 03-08-2014, 09:44 AM
 
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Answer: yes, but not necessarily with water. Protestant thought varies widely, but there are very few that do not believe that the receipt of the Holy Spirit is a requirement and comes with faith. Faith must be active, guided by the Spirit, which is why the baptism of Jesus is so much better than that of John as described by John (the Baptist).
How it comes may be another matter, but it is that turning point, the repenteance and commitment to a new Way that is the crux.
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Old 03-08-2014, 10:11 AM
 
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IMO, just admit to yourself that you accept Jesus as your personal saviour, and you are saved.
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Old 03-08-2014, 10:30 AM
 
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In Catholicism one has to be baptized to be saved, but does one have to be baptized to receive savior in Protestantism? Is this what Sola fide means, that faith alone saves in Protestantism, and don't have to be accompanied by baptism? Thanks
You seem to be an ALL or NOTHING person.

I hope the few words below help:

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Baptism of Blood, Baptism of Desire

First, you can explain that the Catholic Church does not believe that baptism is magic: Simply having water poured over one’s head with the Trinitarian formula does not mean a person is instantly saved forever. Baptism incorporates the individual into the Body of Christ, and within the whole life of the Church an individual’s baptism must be accompanied by faith. The developing faith of the individual is empowered by the grace of baptism, and nurtured by the whole Church, but if the Christian faith is rejected or never positively affirmed, the baptism is not magically effective.

For difficult cases such as the good thief, it should be explained that the Catholic Church has always taught that there is a "baptism of blood" and a "baptism of desire." The baptism of blood refers to those who were not baptized but were martyred for Christ. They are incorporated, through their own death, into the mystical body of Christ through a mystical sharing in his sacrificial death.

The baptism of desire refers to those individuals with faith in Christ who would be baptized if they had the opportunity and if they truly understood what baptism means.
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If you are a bad person after baptism you may not be saved.

If you are a bad person after having accepted Jesus once in your life is not enough either.

You must be good ALL the time. One single event such as baptism or accepting Jesus once in your life is not enough. You must be a Christian and follow Jesus at all times.
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Old 03-08-2014, 10:39 AM
 
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Julian658: I asked about Protestantism, Lutherans especially, and you answer with information about Catholics.
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Old 03-08-2014, 10:39 AM
 
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Hans, you seem to have an endless stream of denominational or doctrinal questions about things that have little or nothing to do with 'Salvation by grace through faith' (Eph 2:8) ... or a personal faith/trust in Jesus Christ (Jn 3:16. etc).

In this respect, I wonder if you personally know that Jesus Christ alone is the way, the truth and the life (Jn 14:6) ... not baptism, religion, Catholicism, Protestantism or anything else. There are no 'loopholes' or 'alternative routes' in Salvation.
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