When did christendom get a pope? (prayers, Holy Ghost, virgin, confess)
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catholic doctrine is full of non-biblical teachings.
That is called called Sacred Oral Tradition Vizio.
How do you think Mark wrote the gospel? He got the info from Peter via Oral tradition.
How do you think Christianity operated until the Catholic Church put the canon of the NT together?
How do you think Rome spread Christianity to Germany, England, France, Spain, Portugal, etc before the printing press was invented in the 15th century.
It was ALL word of mouth and tradition Vizio.
The worship of the Bible (bibliolatry) is new, probably no more than a 100 years old.
The old mainstream Protestants kept many of the Catholic teachings and to this day have services similar to the mass.
That is called called Sacred Oral Tradition Vizio.
Why is it sacred?
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How do you think Mark wrote the gospel? He got the info from Peter via Oral tradition.
So why doesn't your church follow the words of the apostles?
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How do you think Christianity operated until the Catholic Church put the canon of the NT together?
God used the apostles to lead the church.
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How do you think Rome spread Christianity to Germany, England, France, Spain, Portugal, etc before the printing press was invented in the 15th century.
I would argue that Rome didn't spread the Gospel. They spread the church, but don't confuse that with Christianity.
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It was ALL word of mouth and tradition Vizio.
The worship of the Bible (bibliolatry) is new, probably no more than a 100 years old.
This is offensive, Julian. I won't call you a Mary worshiper if you don't call us a Bible worshiper. We don't worship the Bible.
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The old mainstream Protestants kept many of the Catholic teachings and to this day have services similar to the mass.
There was no papacy at that time. Peter was simply the first leader of Christendom.
If Peter was the first leader of Christendom then why did Irenaeus write the Gospel of Mark was written "When Peter and Paul were preaching the gospel in Rome and founding the church there"; he adds, "After their departure, Mark, Peter's disciple, has himself delivered to us in writing the substance of Peter's preaching" (Adv. Haer. 3.1.1; H.E. 5.8.2-4).
If Peter was the first leader of Christendom then why did Irenaeus write the Gospel of Mark was written "When Peter and Paul were preaching the gospel in Rome and founding the church there"; he adds, "After their departure, Mark, Peter's disciple, has himself delivered to us in writing the substance of Peter's preaching" (Adv. Haer. 3.1.1; H.E. 5.8.2-4).
Paul was also a formidable leader, but Jesus did not give Paul the keys. If Paul had gotten the keys I have no issues with Paul being first Pope.
For the love of God the Catholic Church was founded by second generation church fathers which were disciples of the original apostles.
You tried to claim earlier that Jesus founded it. Now you say the 2nd generation church fathers did?
In any event, do you realize there was false teaching in the church during the 1st generation? Have you read Galatians? Colossians? 1 & 2 Corinthians? Why would you want to take the words of the 2nd, 3rd, etc generations over the first?
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You need to travel ALL of Europe and see how Rome spread Christendom.
But, your knee jerk response is "not in the bible".
We do a lot of things that aren't in the bible...and that's ok. The Bible doesn't tell me to use Powerpoint...but it doesn't forbid the use of it, either. Worship of Mary is not only "not in the Bible".....it goes against Biblical principles.
You tried to claim earlier that Jesus founded it. Now you say the 2nd generation church fathers did?
In any event, do you realize there was false teaching in the church during the 1st generation? Have you read Galatians? Colossians? 1 & 2 Corinthians? Why would you want to take the words of the 2nd, 3rd, etc generations over the first?
We do a lot of things that aren't in the bible...and that's ok. The Bible doesn't tell me to use Powerpoint...but it doesn't forbid the use of it, either. Worship of Mary is not only "not in the Bible".....it goes against Biblical principles.
That is true but who worships Mary? Catholics sure don't. We venerate her. Do you know the difference? We also venerate many saints like Peter and Paul.
And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Explain the above if it was Paul who was chosen as Apostle to the Gentiles...
Peter was never called an Apostle of the Gentiles, that did not mean that he could not speak to Gentiles. But he should not go to their towns and villages. Paul called himself an Apostle of the Gentiles, he know Jesus send him, he had the office called Apostle to the Gentiles (Rom 11:13; 1. Tim2:7; Eph 3:1).
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