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Yes it has been defended. God is truth. The Bible which is the word of God is the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15.
IF you intend to pretend that 2 Timothy 2:15 is talking about the scriptures of the Bible being truth you have a tough row to hoe, Mike. The word transliterated as truth is used subjectively to refer to the workman . . . NOT the Word (Logos). There is no "of" in the verse.
2 Timothy 2:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
ergatēs anepaischyntos orthotomeō logos alētheia = a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word truthfully (with a sincere and honest mind)
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I haven't seen any defense of the issue we have been discussing with Finn who has been dodging them for a "gazillion" posts now. Where have you been? What is your defense and explanation of the fact that the Bible contains untruth? Can the word of God contain untruth?
The Bible which is the word of God is the word of truth and accurately records the things which are not true such as the lie of Satan to the woman (not yet named) in the garden. As well, it accurately records the failings of even the greatest hero's of the Bible.
In post #30 I said the following. '' I expect that this thread will desolve into personal attacks and insults and accusations from the usual people, as in post #30, but I will not participate in it.''
This has happened. I have reported some comments which resulted in a couple of posts being deleted. I am not going to get involved in this.
As for slavery, it existed in Jesus's day and He did not condemn it as such. He did not come into the world to promote social reform. Jesus often used master-slave illustrations such as in Matt. 18:23-35; Matt. 24:45-51; Matt. 25:14-30; and Luke 12:42-47.
The Bible which is the word of God is the word of truth and accurately records the things which are not true such as the lie of Satan to the woman (not yet named) in the garden. As well, it accurately records the failings of even the greatest hero's of the Bible.
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This is your opinion based on a couple of bible verses,yet throughout the gospels through numerous verses it is clear that it Jesus Christ who ALONE IS THE WORD. of GOD and HIM ALONE we call upon,learn, follow and put our trust in to the point that we discover that he is an ever present Christ, abiding within us, leading us by the spirit and causing the growth within us by grace and KNOWLEDGE OF HIM. Is this an alien conception to you Mike ?
IF you intend to pretend that 2 Timothy 2:15 is talking about the scriptures of the Bible being truth you have a tough row to hoe, Mike. The word transliterated as truth is used subjectively to refer to the workman . . . not the Word (Logos). There is no "of" in the verse.
2 Timothy 2:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
ergatēs anepaischyntos orthotomeō logos alētheia = a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word truthfully (with a sincere and honest mind)
2 Timothy 2:15 is indeed referring to the scriptures as the word of truth.
The Bible Knowledge Commentary regarding 2 Tim. 2:15'
2:15. As for Timothy, he was to do his best (lit., ''be zealous'') to be sure he would meet with God's approval, a ''laborer'' (ergatén; cf. Matt. 20:1, 8) who does not need to be ashamed. Paul had spoken of shame before men (2 Tim. 1:8, 12, 16); far worse is shame before God. Timothy need not fear such shame if he would correctly handle the Word of truth (cf. Eph. 1:13; Col. 1:5; James 1:18), which for him included both Old Testament Scripture and what he had heard orally from Paul. [The Bible Knowledge Commentary, New Testament, An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty. p. 754]
This is your opinion based on a couple of bible verses,yet throughout the gospels through numerous verses it is clear that it Jesus Christ who ALONE IS THE WORD. of GOD and HIM ALONE we call upon,learn, follow and put our trust in to the point that we discover that he is an ever present Christ, abiding within us, leading us by the spirit and causing the growth within us by grace and KNOWLEDGE OF HIM. Is this an alien conception to you Mike ?
Not my opinion. Scripture has been given which shows that the expression 'the word of God' does not refer only to Jesus. Simply refer to the original post of this thread.
2 Timothy 2:15 is indeed referring to the scriptures as the word of truth.
The Bible Knowledge Commentary regarding 2 Tim. 2:15'
No Mike . . . as always that is what your mentors have told you . . . but when used subjectively (as in this case) it refers to the person's state of truthfulness . . . BOTH rightfully dividing and truthfully.
alētheia
When used subjectively about a person's truth as a personal excellence
it refers to that candour of mind which is free from affection, pretence, simulation,
falsehood, deceit
No Mike . . . as always that is what your mentors have told you . . . but when used subjectively (as in this case) it refers to the person's state of truthfulness . . . BOTH rightfully dividing and truthfully.
alētheia
When used subjectively about a person's truth as a personal excellence
it refers to that candour of mind which is free from affection, pretence, simulation,
falsehood, deceit
i.e. doing something truthfully
The word of truth in 2 Tim. 2:15 refers to the Scriptures as stated. For instance, in Colossians 1:5 the word of truth refers to the gospel message.
The word of truth in 2 Tim. 2:15 refers to the Scriptures as stated.
AS always . . .we use the same verses but interpret them very differently, Mike. Since the transliterations we use are equally valid . . . we will have to let the disputing scholars fight it out. My views are far more logical, based in sound science and scholarship and require no magical thinking to justify them.
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AS always . . .we use the same verses but interpret them very differently, Mike. Since the transliterations we use are equally valid . . . we will have to let the disputing scholars fight it out. My views are far more logical, based in sound science ans scholarship and require no magical thinking to justify them.
The Bible is its own interpreter The word of truth in Eph. 1:13; Col. 1:5; and James 1:18 is with reference to the gospel message. By extension, all the scriptures are the word of truth. Since God is absolute truth (John 7:28), and since all scripture is God-breathed (2 Tim. 3:16) His word which is set down in writing is the word of truth.
The Bible is its own interpreter The word of truth in Eph. 1:13; Col. 1:5; and James 1:18 is with reference to the gospel message. By extension, all the scriptures are the word of truth. Since God is absolute truth (John 7:28), and since all scripture is God-breathed (2 Tim. 3:16) His word which is set down in writing is the word of truth.
None of the scriptures you reference confirm that THE BIBLE is truth. Yet there are verses that undeniably speak of and testify what is the word of truth. I AM THE TRUTH( the words of Jesus Christ) . The Word that dwelt among us is THE WORD of God, it (the word of God(not the bible) tabernacled among us).John 1:1
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