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Old 03-28-2014, 07:07 PM
 
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Theoretically, all spirit beings do not die. Including angels and demons.
Satan was once an angel, now it is a demon. So the same applies.
According to Scripture all who are judged as wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalm 92 v 7

Isn't Jesus the one who destroys Satan according to Hebrews 2 v 14 B ?______

Don't all sinners die according to Romans 6 v 23 ?_______- Ezekiel 18 vs 4,20
Isn't Satan a sinner ?________
So, Satan must pay the penalty for his sins which is the penalty of death [ capital punishment ] - Romans 6 v 23

Satan being judged as wicked ends up in that symbolic ' second death ' - Revelation 21 v 8.
Since Jesus destroys Satan, then ' second death ' is a fitting term for destruction because Satan will Not have a resurrection ever anywhere or at any time.

Please notice at Jude verse 5 that those who believed Not were destroyed in the past.
Those who refuse to repent will also be destroyed - 2nd Peter 3 v 9; Acts 3 v 23
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Old 03-28-2014, 07:22 PM
 
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So let me see if I understand this.

God granted Satan eternal life so that he (Satan) can spend eternity torturing those whom God does not find worthy of heaven. Is that right?
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First of all, all who died before Jesus died do Not go to heaven - John 3 v 13; Acts 2 v 34
Jesus, as Messiah, opened up the way to heaven for only some of mankind, Not the majority of mankind.
The original hope held out for mankind was to live forever [ everlasting life ] right here on Earth.
The majority of mankind will have a healthy physical resurrection on Earth during Jesus millennial reign over Earth.
Those who are called to heaven are to reign with Christ for a thousand years over Earth.- Rev. 20 v 6; 2 v 10; 5 vs 9,10
Those called to heaven are only baptized Christians, Not any general people of the nations.
They will be co-rulers with Christ over earthly subjects of God's kingdom- Psalm 72 v 8
Jesus will fulfill God's promise to Abraham that all families of Earth will be blessed, and all nations of Earth will be blessed. They will be blessed with the healing and curing of Earth's nations on Earth - Genesis 12 v 3; 22 v 18; Rev. 22 v 2
Please Notice the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' being Not in heaven but right here on Earth.

Isn't Satan an unrepentant sinner ?____
Isn't Satan wicked ?_____
No wicked person [ physical or spirit person ] can gain everlasting life, but faces destruction- Psalm 92 v 7; 2nd Peter 3 v 9
Jesus will destroy Satan according to Hebrews 2 v 14 B
And Satan ends up in ' second death ' according to Rev. 21 v 8. Ends up in death Not life.
There is No resurrection anywhere [ on earth or in heaven ] from ' second death ' just forever destroyed.
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Old 03-30-2014, 10:04 PM
 
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Satan doesn't have eternal life. Right now, he's the prince of this world, however, the holy spirit limits the evil Satan does on earth.

For a short time, the holy spirit and the church will be removed (rapture), and Satan will have freedom to do what he wants here.

Then, Satan will be chained up for 1000 years, and righteousness will be enforced during Christ's reign on earth. This is to show that there is something in mankind, even when Satan is chained up, that makes them willfully do evil things.

Then Satan will be let loose again for a short time, God will let everything go that's been holding matter together (cosmic glue for the science buffs!), everything will burn and a new heaven and earth (perfection) will be created. This is when Satan will be destroyed in the lake of fire.

I'm hoping for the rapture within two years.
I'm pretty sure that none of the above is stated in the bible at all.
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Old 03-30-2014, 10:12 PM
 
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According to Scripture all who are judged as wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalm 92 v 7

Isn't Jesus the one who destroys Satan according to Hebrews 2 v 14 B ?______

Don't all sinners die according to Romans 6 v 23 ?_______- Ezekiel 18 vs 4,20
Isn't Satan a sinner ?________
So, Satan must pay the penalty for his sins which is the penalty of death [ capital punishment ] - Romans 6 v 23

Satan being judged as wicked ends up in that symbolic ' second death ' - Revelation 21 v 8.
Since Jesus destroys Satan, then ' second death ' is a fitting term for destruction because Satan will Not have a resurrection ever anywhere or at any time.

Please notice at Jude verse 5 that those who believed Not were destroyed in the past.
Those who refuse to repent will also be destroyed - 2nd Peter 3 v 9; Acts 3 v 23
If you are saying that those who do not measure up will be annihilated, I'll buy that. It is certainly more merciful than unending punishment. It also means that ultimately Good triumphs over Evil because all evil will have been eliminated.

The doctrine of unending punishment means that evil will exist forever and therefore Good will never triumph over Evil.

I personally choose to believe in age long correction, be that resulting in Purgatory or reincarnation, however that works out.
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Old 03-30-2014, 10:23 PM
 
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I'm pretty sure that none of the above is stated in the bible at all.
Have you read the Bible?
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Old 03-31-2014, 06:00 AM
 
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So let me see if I understand this.
No, you have not understood it.

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God granted Satan eternal life so that he (Satan) can spend eternity torturing those whom God does not find worthy of heaven. Is that right?
The Bible does not teach Satan will torment anyone in hell.
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Old 03-31-2014, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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The Bible does not teach Satan will torment anyone in hell.
... for there is no thought in the grave.
And nothing adversarial, except death itself.

As for the Lake (safe harbor, haven) of Fire.
Now, that's a different matter all together.
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