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Old 05-19-2014, 06:26 PM
 
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If Jesus Could Forgive Sins Without A Blood Sacrifice, Why Can't God the Father?


Jesus IS God's perfect blood sacrifice, through whom all people 'can' be forgiven and find Salvation and Life in relationship with God, the Father. --- Not really all that complicated!
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Old 05-19-2014, 06:31 PM
 
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If Jesus Could Forgive Sins Without A Blood Sacrifice, Why Can't God the Father?


Jesus IS God's perfect blood sacrifice, through whom all people 'can' be forgiven and find Salvation and Life in relationship with God, the Father. --- Not really all that complicated!

I can't believe some on here who think that somehow God needs to do more than allow His son put to death to save them!
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Old 05-19-2014, 08:04 PM
 
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I can't believe some on here who think that somehow God needs to do more than allow His son put to death to save them!
I can't believe ANYONE would think that God needed to put His Son to such a horrendous scourging and crucifixion before He could forgive us for any of our misdeeds!!! That is NOT what Christ said and demonstrated! He revealed a loving and forgiving God who needs nothing from us but love for Him and each other.
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Old 05-19-2014, 08:50 PM
 
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If Jesus Could Forgive Sins Without A Blood Sacrifice, Why Can't God the Father?

Jesus IS God's perfect blood sacrifice, through whom all people 'can' be forgiven and find Salvation and Life in relationship with God, the Father. --- Not really all that complicated!
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I can't believe some on here who think that somehow God needs to do more than allow His son put to death to save them!
If, however, you cannot afford two doves or two young pigeons, you are to bring as an offering for sin; a tenth of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering.

Human sacrifice or a blood sacrifice is merely the advancement of ignorance: "For I desire Mercy, not Sacrifice."

In other words, forgiveness is predicated on true repentance, not the slaughtering of the innocent.
Has it ever dawned on you that repentance, or making a change for the better, not the worst, is a sign of being merciful.

Are you merciful to your spouse, when you say: 'I'm sorry for the pain and suffering that I inflicted; forgive me!"

Or do you continue to punish, chastise, or criticize her, severely?

I believe flowers (pun intended) would be more beneficial.
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Old 05-19-2014, 08:52 PM
 
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It is a myth that the cross saves. Jesus said; By your words you'll be forgiven or by your words you'll be condemned.
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Old 05-19-2014, 09:51 PM
 
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All I'm asking is for Christians to try to get beyond this idea invented by tribal cavemen that if you got your eye put out by someone from another tribe your clan had to go over and put out the eyes of that other tribe. That's all we're talking about here: a Stone-Age concept of revenge that somehow found its way into the earliest religions and then filtered into the Jewish Old Testament that because of Adam & Eve sinning God was going to send the seed of a woman to crush the snake. Somehow and somewhere in all this Jewish lore the seed becomes a savior Messiah Son of God who has to be sacrificed to appease God's anger at sin; the Old Testament Law of Moses starts demanding that sin has to be cleansed with killing animals; Passover gets invented and God calls for an unblemished lamb to be sacrificed, then the lamb becomes Jesus; then Anselm gets hold of it and turns it into appeasing God's honor; then Calvin gets hold of it and turns it into appeasing God's wrath. The evolution of this thing is so blatantly obvious to anybody who will open their eyes and not allow themselves to be tricked by all this dogmatic nonsense. That is the "ransom" He paid for us--the ransom of love.

Yes, Jesus was crucified; yes He rose; yes, His death was a demonstration---not that He needed to be beaten till He was half dead, then have His blood poured out to cover our sins and to set us right with God, but to demonstrate His love for us and what lengths He was willing to go to show us that love.
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Old 05-19-2014, 10:02 PM
 
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All I'm asking is for Christians to try to get beyond this idea invented by tribal cavemen that if you got your eye put out by someone from another tribe your clan had to go over and put out the eyes of that other tribe. That's all we're talking about here: a Stone-Age concept of revenge that somehow found its way into the earliest religions and then filtered into the Jewish Old Testament that because of Adam & Eve sinning God was going to send the seed of a woman to crush the snake. Somehow and somewhere in all this Jewish lore the seed becomes a savior Messiah Son of God who has to be sacrificed to appease God's anger at sin; the Old Testament Law of Moses starts demanding that sin has to be cleansed with killing animals; Passover gets invented and God calls for an unblemished lamb to be sacrificed, then the lamb becomes Jesus; then Anselm gets hold of it and turns it into appeasing God's honor; then Calvin gets hold of it and turns it into appeasing God's wrath. The evolution of this thing is so blatantly obvious to anybody who will open their eyes and not allow themselves to be tricked by all this dogmatic nonsense. That is the "ransom" He paid for us--the ransom of love.

Yes, Jesus was crucified; yes He rose; yes, His death was a demonstration---not that He needed to be beaten till He was half dead, then have His blood poured out to cover our sins and to set us right with God, but to demonstrate His love for us and what lengths He was willing to go to show us that love.
Amen! Amen! Amen! A wonderful post, Thrill!
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Old 05-19-2014, 11:01 PM
 
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Amen! Amen! Amen! A wonderful post, Thrill!
Thank you---and ans57. Feelin' the power of the Holy Spirit on that one!
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Old 05-20-2014, 03:56 AM
 
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Amen! Amen! Amen! A wonderful post, Thrill!
So, from your viewpoint, where do you think 101c is coming from?...
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Old 05-20-2014, 04:36 AM
 
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All I'm asking is for Christians to try to get beyond this idea invented by tribal cavemen that if you got your eye put out by someone from another tribe your clan had to go over and put out the eyes of that other tribe. That's all we're talking about here: a Stone-Age concept of revenge that somehow found its way into the earliest religions and then filtered into the Jewish Old Testament that because of Adam & Eve sinning God was going to send the seed of a woman to crush the snake. Somehow and somewhere in all this Jewish lore the seed becomes a savior Messiah Son of God who has to be sacrificed to appease God's anger at sin; the Old Testament Law of Moses starts demanding that sin has to be cleansed with killing animals; Passover gets invented and God calls for an unblemished lamb to be sacrificed, then the lamb becomes Jesus; then Anselm gets hold of it and turns it into appeasing God's honor; then Calvin gets hold of it and turns it into appeasing God's wrath. The evolution of this thing is so blatantly obvious to anybody who will open their eyes and not allow themselves to be tricked by all this dogmatic nonsense. That is the "ransom" He paid for us--the ransom of love.

Yes, Jesus was crucified; yes He rose; yes, His death was a demonstration---not that He needed to be beaten till He was half dead, then have His blood poured out to cover our sins and to set us right with God, but to demonstrate His love for us and what lengths He was willing to go to show us that love.

you miss the point. no one is asking anyone to physically put their eye out. the covenant we're under is a spiritual covenant. in the spirit one put an end to sin. that's why Jesus return in Spirit to help us overcome our flesh. we need help. that why the Lord Jesus is the comforter. you still think carnal.

the ransom was his life in the flesh. and he did that once and for all time. he lives now by the Spirit, as we should. his body was the sacrifice. and yes, by his strips we're healed.

and listen up thrillobyte, if our Lord Jesus would not have died, you would. he took all of our places himself. now stop and think. if the Lord Jesus did not die for us, what make you so good, to deserve to live?. dose not the potter have power over the clay. why do we rebel everyday. what if God did show his powers?, we all would drop dead. and you speak of LOVE. have you love the Lord all your life?. so that means you never sinned. so all sinners are forgiven?. if that the case why need a God then, is that what you're saying?. then we can do what ever we want. no matter what. there is no need for law just the law of LOVE?. boy, boy I can see evil having a field day with that thinking. I see why the separating. Oh well........
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