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Maybe I can make it plain. forgiveness of sin is to restore a broken fellowship.
the atonement for sin is a covering. Israel lived under the Old Covenant, with its laws. (rules and regulations). in order to bring in the Gentiles, a change in Law was needed, because there was a change in priesthood. Whenever Israel broke the law the priests made an atonement, or (covering) for their sins once a year on the Day of Atonement.
on the other hand, a sinner, who have no relationship with God, receives the remission of sins, not forgiveness. see (1 John 1). If a sinner had to confess all of his sins to be saved, then he could never be saved, meaning having a relationship with God. a sinner is required to confess Jesus as Lord. and his blood wipe away the sinner sins.
forgiveness of sin is when one is in a relationship. sin break the fellowship, and not the relationship.
the reemission, of sins establish the relationship, so one can have fellowship with God.
Lets make it simple, forgiveness of sin is for the children of God.
reemission of sins is for the sinner, in order to have a relationship. so that in the future, if he sin, he have an advocate. because if one confess their sins, he is faithful and just to forgive, and clense us from all unrighteousness.
thrillobyte,
Lets understand this forgiveness of sins further. you asked, “why Jesus forgives sins” and not God?. he do. listen, that’s why the Lord Jesus said go only to the House of Israel. why?. because they was in a covenant “relationship” with God. anyone outside the commonwealth of Israel was estrange to God. so forgiveness was for the one who had an establish “relationship”, with God. sin in a “relationship” do not break the “relationship”, but only the enjoyment of it, which is fellowship. example, if a mother have a child, and the child disobey her. that relationship don’t change. she will be always that child mother, and that child will always be that mother child. now the fellowship, or the enjoyment of the relationship, might be broken, because mom is unset with her child. but the relationship is always there. that’s why the Lord Jesus could forgive sins. because he was in a relationship with these people, the HEBREWS. or any stranger who came under their roof, and abideth by the rules and regulation. they was under the Law. now when Jesus died, Matthew 26:28 "For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins”. not only for the born again JEWS, but for everyone who accepts God. for he is no respecter of person. Acts 10:34 "Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him”.
so Jesus the Lord, who is God in flesh forgives sins.
when our Lord Jesus gave that blood, which was the life, (natural), not Spiritual, for he continues, even after death. hence his immortality. and all in him continue, which is not hurt by the second death.
that’s why we read in the epistles, “unto the Jews first”, and then the gentiles.
I have contemplated this question in one form or another at times and it was partly this question (and other things) that caused me to brand the penal atonement theology as being completely ridiculous. Yet I comprehend that the Church structure has needed to firmly grasped this dogma ever since the Council of Nicaea because it was part and parcel of the stranglehold they were determined to exert over people.
But the question still remains: Jesus was freely and completely able to forgive sins before His death without telling the person(s) to go to the temple and shed an animal's blood to make it complete. I don't read that Jesus ever said, "I forgive you, but you'll have to wait until I die before the forgiveness can really take effect. Technically, you're still in your sins, but you're first in line for forgiveness once My death is complete."
No, Jesus, being One with His Father; being the Father personified on earth in the form of His Son, freely forgave sinners their sins without any conditions attached. So theoretically God possessed the capacity to forgive sin without requiring a blood offering to accomplish it and doing so didn't seem to compromise His sense of honor or justice.
So why does God require Jesus' blood to right the scales of sin now?
Positional?...Just as Salvation is positional...Your righteousness is positional...
I still don't get how Jesus could freely forgive sin with no pre-conditions before His death. Presumably those sinners whom He forgave their sins, had they died before His own death, would have gone to that part of Hades where the righteous were waiting to be admitted to heaven upon Jesus' death. Those that did not receive Jesus' forgiveness would have gone to the other compartment of Hades where the fire is and suffered in torment for all eternity because they had refused to listen to Him when He was preaching.
This has nothing to do with Levites and Book of Hebrews. It's just a simple question:
Jesus, and thus God, had the power and the willingness and the ability to forgive sins without Jesus' sacrifice. If God the Father through Jesus could do it for them He can certainly do it for us today. It's not like God can only stretch His grace just this far for just a certain number of lucky individuals and then He runs out of grace--the rest need Jesus' blood to keep from staining God's honor/and or falling under His wrath. It's an all or nothing proposition. If He can forgive even one white lie without Jesus' blood having to cover it then He can forgive all the sin ever committed without Jesus' blood having to cover it. Jesus clearly demonstrated that His death was not needed for Him to be willing to forgive sin.
He was given all authority in heaven and earth by the Father, in other words, Yeashua was the Shaliach of the Father...
I firmly believe that the death of Jesus Christ was a demonstration of how much God loved the world, what more could Jesus Christ have done to prove how much God loved the world?.We are loved by God whether we believe it or not,not believing it we live out a life equivalent of perishing. You are right Thrill, Jesus was clearly forgiving sin without the shedding of blood and it riled the teachers of Law to say he was blaspheming
He was given all authority in heaven and earth by the Father, in other words, Yeashua was the Shaliach of the Father...
In flesh Jesus is GOD, that's why you didn't know who came. (smile).
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