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Recently the current pope fast tracked the canonization (making a saint) of two popes, John XXIII and John Paul II. The last pope granted sainthood reigned to 1294.
Recently the current pope fast tracked the canonization (making a saint) of two popes, John XXIII and John Paul II. The last pope granted sainthood reigned to 1294.
How does this sit with the devout?
Two people were honored by the Church. No big deal! That is what Catholics do. And we name churches after saints too.
Two people were honored by the Church. No big deal! That is what Catholics do. And we name churches after saints too.
LOLOLOLOLOL Just some more of the Papacy thinking and acting like they are better than Jesus and God. One can't say if one is a saint or not, Moderator cut: deleted But hey, you go ahead. It doesn't hurt me one way or another.
One does have to laugh at the Catholics who go to confession on Saturday evening and Mass Sunday morning and then continue to do the same sin they asked a human priest to forgive. The fact that anyon would ask any priest to forgive them is what is scary because it shows that they have no real understanding of the Bible, not the Catholic Bible, but the Bible and no real understanding of having a true relationship with Jesus.
BTW, before you begin your normal diatribe, I was raised a Catholic and an Episcopalian, so I do know what I am talking about when it comes to the Papacy. That would also be why I left the church as soon as I was able and went on my own discovery and learning process about the Bible.
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Recently the current pope fast tracked the canonization (making a saint) of two popes, John XXIII and John Paul II. The last pope granted sainthood reigned to 1294.
How does this sit with the devout?
I'm not even Catholic and I definitely get it. John XXIII was the pope who convened Vatican II, the most significant even in Catholic history in at least 1000 years. Vatican II is the reason the RCC is no longer stuck in the Middle Ages. No longer did everything need to happen in Latin anymore. Protestants were promoted from heretics doomed to burn in hell for eternity to being saved in the Kingdom of God after being punished for rejecting "God's only true church." Folks like Galileo and Copernicus were no longer heretics. The bitter feud against science got squashed for the most part, and the RCC started thinking that scientific theories and discoveries that they didn't like were not necessarily all bad. John XXIII essentially dragged the RCC out of the Dark Ages and into the modern age.
John Paul II played a huge part in helping the Communist Block fall, essentially thwarting a militant atheist empire bent on world conquest and the eradication of all religion, Christianity included. He was the pope who was born in the belly of the beast and who fearlessly defied this monster.
I disagree with the entire notion that there is such a thing as saints. Either we are all saints or there is no such thing. I think it's just the RCC's way of handing out a "lifetime achievement award" of sorts. John XXIII and John Paul II most definitely merit a lifetime achievement award for their accomplishments. Not perfect people by any stretch of the imagination, but they did some very big things.
Has the Roman Catholic church jumped the shark?
No, the Catholic Church has not jumped the shark.
Does Mistermobile have the first clue regarding what he is talking about?
No, in this area Mistermobile is utterly and totally clueless.
First of all, the Catholic Church does not "grant sainthood". Almighty God decides who will or who will not be saved and be admitted to heaven. All persons in heaven, whether their names are known or not, are saints. All the church does is affirm that certain believers are in heaven, and permit their liturgical veneration by the entire church around the world, rather than by a local community only. This permission for worldwide liturgical veneration is called "canonization". Canonization does not change the spiritual state of the person canonized; it merely changes what the Church as a whole may do formally.
As for the last pope to be canonized, that was Pius X, who died in 1914 and who was canonized in 1954. The last pope to be canonized before him was St. Pius V, who died in 1572 and who was canonized in 1712. Both Pius V and Pius X are well-known, and Pius X is widely venerated -- yet oddly, Mistermobile seems to have heard of neither.
LOLOLOLOLOL Just some more of the Papacy thinking and acting like they are better than Jesus and God. One can't say if one is a saint or not, Moderator cut: deleted But hey, you go ahead. It doesn't hurt me one way or another.
One does have to laugh at the Catholics who go to confession on Saturday evening and Mass Sunday morning and then continue to do the same sin they asked a human priest to forgive. The fact that anyon would ask any priest to forgive them is what is scary because it shows that they have no real understanding of the Bible, not the Catholic Bible, but the Bible and no real understanding of having a true relationship with Jesus.
BTW, before you begin your normal diatribe, I was raised a Catholic and an Episcopalian, so I do know what I am talking about when it comes to the Papacy. That would also be why I left the church as soon as I was able and went on my own discovery and learning process about the Bible.
You tried to justify your comments by saying that you were raised Catholic and that you have a understanding of the Church. But the comments I highlighted show me that you really don't have an understanding of the Church. Priests don't forgive sins. We don't ask priests to forgive sins. We ask Christ to forgive our sins and only Christ can forgive sin. But we must humble ourselves to confess to a mortal in order to receive that forgivness. It's part of reconcilliation. It's a part of the pennance of sin. To have to actually confess to another person is difficult.
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