What happens after death, Let's discuss Heaven and Hell!!! (sinned, Christ, bible)

[spm62]

Originally Posted by kaykay

In a nutshell, Jesus died for ALL. The other "alls" are potential depending on yes, their decision. (That's my rant! I'm done now too!)

Hi kaykaykaykay,
So,Adams all isn`t a potential all but is an actual absolute all. But, Jesus`s all is a potential all? Hmmmm...that`s my point. That makes Adam greater in this case because his all includes everyone whether they like it or not. They don`t have a choice. In Jesus`s case we have a choice whether to be included in his all. That is one(just one) of the reasons I no longer believe in eternal damnation but an age lasting damnation or specific time period of refining. But it`s really all in the translation of the original language..that is key. If someone just chooses to accept man`s interpretation in the English language,,you get eternal. If you read some of the words and the meaning in the language it was written in..you get age. It can change the meaning entirely and give you a whole new perspective on God`s love and how much he loves us. Thanks for responding KayKayKayKay. I knew I could count on you. Eventhough we`ve all been in these discussions before..isn`t it fun?

[ShanaBrown]

Then Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he made his way to Jerusalem. Someone asked him, "Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?"

He said to them, "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.

Luke 13:22-24

Hi, I believe that few will be saved in this age and in the age to come and many will not be able to enter. (Galatians 1:6) Many will experience the wrath of God. But the scriptures also speak of all things being reunited in Christ and the eventual subjection of all that God may be all in all (Ephesians 1, 1 Corinthians 15) All will not enter at the same time. God bless.

[spm62]

Originally Posted by BudinAk

1: Hell was created for the devil and his angels. If it was created, it had to have a beginning. But...it has no end. Therefore the answer is "no...and yes"

2: Yes. They are incorrigable...will not, or can not, change their ways...

3: I don't know. But I tend to think "yes", but confined to hell...

Bud

God says that every knee will bow and every tongue confess. Is this before or after he throws them in the lake of fire forever?
God also says he will wipe away every tear from our eyes. Does that include the people in everlasting hellfire as well,since they are still living or does that just mean the ones who were smart enough to choose God? If it is only for a select few does he also wipe away their memory since they will have a hard time finding joy knowing parents,children,brothers,sisters, and friends are in excrutiating pain in a lake of fire every second without end? Just trying to understand the line of thought. This sounds harsher then the tone in which I wrote it. Hope you understand.

[spm62]

Originally Posted by ShanaBrown

Luke 13:22-24

Hi, I believe that few will be saved in this age and in the age to come and many will not be able to enter. (Galatians 1:6) The scriptures also speak of all things being reunited in Christ and the eventual subjection of all that God may be all in all (Ephesians 1, 1 Corinthians 15) All will not enter at the same time. God bless.

Right on Shanabrown!

[yhwhshalomjr]

Originally Posted by spm62

I think you`re missing my point. The point really isn`t what the age of accountability is. It`s more of someone being thrown into the lake of fire forever when they hardly had a chance to believe.

I believe I did miss your point, sorry about that
Why would age be a factor then? It seems cut and dried" that if they don't believe or miss the opportunity, then they will be thrown into the "lake of fire" forever regardless of the age. Because we've already discussed the fact that if they are children under the age of accountability, then they will not suffer this type of judgment. And the mentally impaired I believe God's Sovereignity/ grace will cover them. Having eliminate all of these who is left?


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Another question I always asked is this...What is the age of accountability..9..10..11..12? Let`s say it is 10. A child dies at the ripe old age of 11. He doesn`t say the sinners prayer. Do you truly believe in your heart of hearts that he will spend forever and ever in a literal hellfire burning with fire and brimstone and tormented day and night without end? That he will be forever separated from the love of God for all of eternity? Do you truly believe that he will suffer forever without end for sins that he committed during that one year on earth where he was held accountable? Just asking..of course I`m asking with love. Just trying to understand how someone reconsile`s that. Thanks

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[yhwhshalomjr]

Why was my topix deleted, it was just a little light-hearted humor
I've seen that before on many threads, anyway
God Bless you

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by spm62

God says that every knee will bow and every tongue confess. Is this before or after he throws them in the lake of fire forever?
God also says he will wipe away every tear from our eyes. Does that include the people in everlasting hellfire as well,since they are still living or does that just mean the ones who were smart enough to choose God? If it is only for a select few does he also wipe away their memory since they will have a hard time finding joy knowing parents,children,brothers,sisters, and friends are in excrutiating pain in a lake of fire every second without end? Just trying to understand the line of thought. This sounds harsher then the tone in which I wrote it. Hope you understand.

I think everyone will confess this when they see Him coming back, but it will be too late by then. The tears that are wiped away (Rev21:4) are the tears of His children in Heaven. As far as the memory goes, there is verse in Psalms or maybe it's Isaiah, sorry but I don't remember where, but I have read it, we will not remember the ones who are not in Heaven, they will wiped from our memory forever.

[ShanaBrown]

Some thought about everlasting hell:


"Why does God let Satan remain at liberty for thousands of years. Why does He let him deceive and mislead millions? (if everlasting hell is the end result for the majority of His human creation? (me- Didn't God in His omniscience forsee that this would happen?)

And if all this had to be for some reason which we cannot fathom, why must humanity multiply at such a rate? If most men are only rushing to an eternal hell, why would not a wise and loving God let only comparatively few come into existence?

I for my part cannot understand how anyone who believes in an eternal hell dares to bring children into the world.

It has often seemed to me that it would be better to be born as an animal than a human being. An animal may have to endure awful sufferings, but there is always the certainty that these will once end, whereas the lost sinner has no such hope.


Why was Christ sent only after thousands of years of sin and death for countless multitudes? Why was He sent without providing that all could immediately hear of His sacrifice? Why has it been impossible to reach whole continents until very recently?

And even today, with all the modern facilities, why is mission-work no triumph? Why all the dreadful handicaps, ill health, want of money, etc., with which God’s witnesses have to struggle, apart from the callousness of the hearts of unsaved men?

The Bible says that God can alone accomplish a change of these stubborn hearts. Why does He not do it, except for a few? To say that He saves all who are willing, explains nothing, for very few realize what it is all about.

Besides, the Scriptures teach that God also does the willing. As soon as His spirit reveals to anyone his lost condition and God’s love, his will agrees. Why does He not reveal Himself to all?

When we consider things as they are, it becomes very evident, that Christ saves not even one-twentieth of all men today. Is that the great, wonderful triumph of Golgotha?

If a doctor discovers a remedy which saves only five percent of all cases, it is counted a failure. Golgotha’s failure seems even worse. What about the word: “He shall bruise thy head,” if the serpent gets almost all of the spoils?

If men were responsible for their eternal fate, at least this question would have to be discussed more fully than others. And what about the responsibility of those who never heard about Christ?


Who other but God decreed that, after Adam’s transgression, the poison of sin should pass through to all his descendants?

Who other but God decreed that, in contrast to this, salvation is not passed on through any such channel, but must be appropriated by every individual?

No such choice is left to him when it comes to sinning. He is a slave to sin from the beginning of his existence and cannot help himself and free himself of its tyranny. If responsibility played any part in this matter, God would have had to let every person come into the world as neutral as Adam, and free to choose for himself sin or obedience. (note: me- if you believe in the free will of man!)


Another riddle is, in my opinion, that God never even warned the human beings that an eternal hell would await them if they sinned, and not only them, but all their descendants. He only told Adam that he would die if he ate of the forbidden fruit. Is that not just the opposite of never-ending life in torture, where death would be a mercy?

The Bible seems one vast chaos, beyond understanding, full of contradictions. An omnipotent God, from Whom the devil takes almost everything; Who knows all beforehand, yet hinders nothing; Who is even concerned with the cattle of Nineveh, Whose Son is moved with compassion when He sees a mourning widow or a blind beggar, and yet He invents a hell of fire and keeps it going for ever?"

Jesus the Light of the World

God bless.

[spm62]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

I think everyone will confess this when they see Him coming back, but it will be too late by then. The tears that are wiped away (Rev21:4) are the tears of His children in Heaven. As far as the memory goes, there is verse in Psalms or maybe it's Isaiah, sorry but I don't remember where, but I have read it, we will not remember the ones who are not in Heaven, they will wiped from our memory forever.

Thanks for posting. I would like to read that verse if you can find it. As far as the tears being only the tears of a select few, that is not what I read in Rev.21:4. It does say he will wipe away our tears but not just the tears of some. God will dwell with men and wipe away their tears.He also says there will be no more pain. But if some men are in agony in hell then some will still feel pain and some men will not have tears wiped away. By the way...I love North Carolina too.

[ShanaBrown]

So,Adams all isn`t a potential all but is an actual absolute all. But, Jesus`s all is a potential all? Hmmmm...that`s my point. That makes Adam greater in this case because his all includes everyone whether they like it or not. They don`t have a choice. In Jesus`s case we have a choice whether to be included in his all.

Thanks for sharing, Spm62. So true... God bless.