What happens after death, Let's discuss Heaven and Hell!!! (Gomorrah, Sodom, Revelation)

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by spm62

Thanks for posting. I would like to read that verse if you can find it. As far as the tears being only the tears of a select few, that is not what I read in Rev.21:4. It does say he will wipe away our tears but not just the tears of some. God will dwell with men and wipe away their tears.He also says there will be no more pain. But if some men are in agony in hell then some will still feel pain and some men will not have tears wiped away. By the way...I love North Carolina too.

The new Jerusalem is where God lives among His people. I don't believe this includes the one who reject Him. I believe this promise for no more pain and to wipe away tears is only for those who are His people, not the ones who reject Him.
I will try to find that verse, I'll let you know.
You are so blessed to be living in North Carolina!

[Macrina]

Originally Posted by Tricky D

I still can't see why people bother themselves so much with a (possible) afterlife.
Is it not far better to try to make this world a paradise by helping the needy and unfortunate?
Take care of the now, instead of being worried about the future.

Why not try thinking 'both/and' instead of 'either/or' in regards to your quote above?

[spm62]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

The new Jerusalem is where God lives among His people. I don't believe this includes the one who reject Him. I believe this promise for no more pain and to wipe away tears is only for those who are His people, not the ones who reject Him.
I will try to find that verse, I'll let you know.
You are so blessed to be living in North Carolina!

Thanks So,the part about God wiping away tears being only for a select few is just your view of it... but you see how others,like me, would say it includes more than a select few. By the way, I don`t live in N.C. I just like the state!

[spm62]

Originally Posted by ShanaBrown

Some thought about everlasting hell:


"Why does God let Satan remain at liberty for thousands of years. Why does He let him deceive and mislead millions? (if everlasting hell is the end result for the majority of His human creation? (me- Didn't God in His omniscience forsee that this would happen?)

And if all this had to be for some reason which we cannot fathom, why must humanity multiply at such a rate? If most men are only rushing to an eternal hell, why would not a wise and loving God let only comparatively few come into existence?

I for my part cannot understand how anyone who believes in an eternal hell dares to bring children into the world.

It has often seemed to me that it would be better to be born as an animal than a human being. An animal may have to endure awful sufferings, but there is always the certainty that these will once end, whereas the lost sinner has no such hope.


Why was Christ sent only after thousands of years of sin and death for countless multitudes? Why was He sent without providing that all could immediately hear of His sacrifice? Why has it been impossible to reach whole continents until very recently?

And even today, with all the modern facilities, why is mission-work no triumph? Why all the dreadful handicaps, ill health, want of money, etc., with which God’s witnesses have to struggle, apart from the callousness of the hearts of unsaved men?

The Bible says that God can alone accomplish a change of these stubborn hearts. Why does He not do it, except for a few? To say that He saves all who are willing, explains nothing, for very few realize what it is all about.

Besides, the Scriptures teach that God also does the willing. As soon as His spirit reveals to anyone his lost condition and God’s love, his will agrees. Why does He not reveal Himself to all?

When we consider things as they are, it becomes very evident, that Christ saves not even one-twentieth of all men today. Is that the great, wonderful triumph of Golgotha?

If a doctor discovers a remedy which saves only five percent of all cases, it is counted a failure. Golgotha’s failure seems even worse. What about the word: “He shall bruise thy head,” if the serpent gets almost all of the spoils?

If men were responsible for their eternal fate, at least this question would have to be discussed more fully than others. And what about the responsibility of those who never heard about Christ?


Who other but God decreed that, after Adam’s transgression, the poison of sin should pass through to all his descendants?

Who other but God decreed that, in contrast to this, salvation is not passed on through any such channel, but must be appropriated by every individual?

No such choice is left to him when it comes to sinning. He is a slave to sin from the beginning of his existence and cannot help himself and free himself of its tyranny. If responsibility played any part in this matter, God would have had to let every person come into the world as neutral as Adam, and free to choose for himself sin or obedience. (note: me- if you believe in the free will of man!)


Another riddle is, in my opinion, that God never even warned the human beings that an eternal hell would await them if they sinned, and not only them, but all their descendants. He only told Adam that he would die if he ate of the forbidden fruit. Is that not just the opposite of never-ending life in torture, where death would be a mercy?

The Bible seems one vast chaos, beyond understanding, full of contradictions. An omnipotent God, from Whom the devil takes almost everything; Who knows all beforehand, yet hinders nothing; Who is even concerned with the cattle of Nineveh, Whose Son is moved with compassion when He sees a mourning widow or a blind beggar, and yet He invents a hell of fire and keeps it going for ever?"

Jesus the Light of the World

God bless.

This is an awesome post Shana. I think I will copy it. You make excellent, excellent points. I think the problem is with the english translated word eternal in the bible. People just see that word in English and not the word in the original language and just assume it was translated correctly. But when I finally learned that the word was translated incorrectly in most bibles it made all of scripture finally make sense to me. It all finally fits with God`s nature. thanks for posting this.

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by spm62

Thanks So,the part about God wiping away tears being only for a select few is just your view of it... but you see how others,like me, would say it includes more than a select few. By the way, I don`t live in N.C. I just like the state!

It's my view based on other scripture. But like kaykay said earlier we went round and round with jeffncandance on this a few months ago.
Oh sorry, you did say you love it, not live there. I hope to live there or close by someday.

[ShanaBrown]

Thanks Spm62, these points were made by someone else but it has always stayed with me and I refer to it often. It is on a website called Jesus the Light of the World but I read it somewhere else too. There is another writing by a Universalist Christian that I wanted to share but I have to look for it. I also think that the mistranslation of the words that have been translated as eternal and eternity is a major problem. For example, I believe that aionios life refers to the life of knowing God and Jesus during the ages, which we can have in this age and the the blessings associated with it. This does not mean that we will not have everlasting life because when we are resurrected we will be immortal but from my conversations with some, they can't see this. God bless.

P.S. I do live in North Carolina and it is a great place to live!!! God bless.

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by ShanaBrown

P.S. I do live in North Carolina and it is a great place to live!!! God bless.

So you're the lucky one!

[ShanaBrown]

So you're the lucky one!

Yep!!

[spm62]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

It's my view based on other scripture. But like kaykay said earlier we went round and round with jeffncandance on this a few months ago.
Oh sorry, you did say you love it, not live there. I hope to live there or close by someday.

whatever happen to ole jeff anyway? I talked with him a couple of times through personal messaging.

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by spm62

whatever happen to ole jeff anyway? I talked with him a couple of times through personal messaging.

He is now a stay at home dad with three kids, I guess that takes up all of his time, it would mine!
He was on over the Thanksgiving Holiday.