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2) I stand by what I quoted Jesus saying in Matthew 12:36 in response to your careless comparison of Biblical Baptism to being baptized by Mormons after their death
Define biblical baptism. I believe it means adult baptism, which I was NOT talking about. Do you believe baptizing a baby or a dead person saves them?
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3) I'll go further to say it is alarming you would use such animosity towards what Scriptures teach about baptism.
It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 1 Peter 3:21
make her (the Christian Church) holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, Ephesians 5:26
no Finn, out of love and zeal for the truth I need to repeat to you the warning of Jesus in Matthew 12:36
Animosity? That is a strange accusation, since I specifically said every Christian should get baptized. You have your view, and I do not agree with it, but that does not mean I have something against baptism in general. I chose to get baptized as an adult, and I recommend every believer does the same, but I do not believe their salvation depends on it. the Bible repeats some 200 times the only requirement is faith. Those are not empty words, so you can quit suggesting I am guilty of saying empty things (Matt 12 36). I asked you to clarify Mark 16:16 by showing me what it says about people who believe, but have not yet been baptized, but you were not able to, and I think that should make you wonder, but instead, you throw false accusations at me.
OK, you need to look at baptism in historical context. The first Christians were likely baptized as adults by immersion or by kneeling down while water was poured over the head.
The first Christians believed that baptism was necessary for salvation and baptisms at the death bed were common. Sometimes Christians would die without a baptism and that was considered a tragedy. So you can imagine why the church decided to perform baptisms at an earlier age.
Infant mortality was high during those days so it was decided to baptized newborns ASAP. This was ALL done because the consensus among Christians was that baptism was necessary for salvation.
It is easy for you to say they are wrong, but remember, these folks lived in another era. And------ there were many bible verses that suggested the necessity of baptism.
Later the church stated that baptism by intention was good enough for salvation, but staunch Christians of that era wanted their kids baptized just in case.
Within this context one could understand the rite the Mormons perform regarding baptism for those that died without baptism.
Each religion is different and each religion interprets the bible differently.
I think it is difficult to look at the bible and Christianity in the 21st century while ignoring the Christianity of 2,000 years past.
I think the "they do it just in case" pretty much sums it up.
I did it out of obedience, some others do it 'just n case'.
There is no harm done by baptizing a baby, or a dead person, so although the Bible does not teach infant baptism, it also does not say you should not do it. However, if you do it and claim it saved the baby, then you are teaching a false message.
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I think the "they do it just in case" pretty much sums it up.
I did it out of obedience, some others do it 'just n case'.
There is no harm done by baptizing a baby, or a dead person,
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However, if you do it and claim it saved the baby, then you are teaching a false message.
Easy for you to say that. However, Christianity in the first centuries thought otherwise. Most reformers thought otherwise. Your concept is quite new and hopefully you will not use your views to judge others.
Claiming the truth and saying that others have a false message is basically playing the game "my religion is better than yours". I see it differently and have no issues with all the different forms of baptism. And if the mormons do what they do more power to them.
Easy for you to say that. However, Christianity in the first centuries thought otherwise. Most reformers thought otherwise. Your concept is quite new and hopefully you will not use your views to judge others.
Claiming the truth and saying that others have a false message is basically playing the game "my religion is better than yours". I see it differently and have no issues with all the different forms of baptism. And if the mormons do what they do more power to them.
You are the only one going on about denominations. Who told you early Christians taught infant baptism is enough to save a person?
Baptizing a baby is same as baptizing a dead body like the Mormons do. In both cases the person being baptized has no knowledge of what is happening.
Mormons do not baptise dead bodies.
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Is baptism by immersion Biblical?
