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Do you think the disciples were saved when they were sent out to do miracles in the name of Jesus?
After they had been sent out two by two, and after they had done many miracles, They came up to Jesus and said,'' Lord, These people did not receive our word, shall we call fire down to destroy them?''
What did Jesus tell them?
'' You speak from your father Satan.''
How did these believers in Christ, these same believers who taught Christ and who did miracles in his name, then speak by their father Satan?
Dear HF, although some of what you say in your post is sound, it does nothing to
contradict well-accepted doctrine that MEN and ANGELS are two entirely different
creations of the Father. That's all I have to say concerning this. Men are Men. Angels
are Angels.
Now, what I've quoted of your post needs correction. Jesus did not say that quote to
the apostles John and James, the "sons of thunder", but to the Pharisees. What Jesus
said to John and James, who were thinking about punishing the Samaritans who looked
down on Jesus's group because they were walking to Jerusalem (Samaritans and Judeans
did not get along at all).. was that they did not know (were not aware) of what manner of
spirit they were of.. (that their thought was evil) [Luke 9:51-56]
this is much different than the quote you were thinking of, which takes place in
the entire chapter of John 8. Jesus calls those scribes and Pharisees sons of the devil
because they did not believe Him, and because they sought to kill him.
by the way, I envisioned this thread to be different than other "debate" style threads,
a place where I could post various links and thoughts without being diverted into
points of contention.
Dear HF, although some of what you say in your post is sound, it does nothing to
contradict well-accepted doctrine that MEN and ANGELS are two entirely different
creations of the Father. That's all I have to say concerning this. Men are Men. Angels
are Angels.
Now, what I've quoted of your post needs correction. Jesus did not say that quote to
the apostles John and James, the "sons of thunder", but to the Pharisees. What Jesus
said to John and James, who were thinking about punishing the Samaritans who looked
down on Jesus's group because they were walking to Jerusalem (Samaritans and Judeans
did not get along at all).. was that they did not know (were not aware) of what manner of
spirit they were of.. (that their thought was evil) [Luke 9:51-56]
this is much different than the quote you were thinking of, which takes place in
the entire chapter of John 8. Jesus calls those scribes and Pharisees sons of the devil
because they did not believe Him, and because they sought to kill him.
by the way, I envisioned this thread to be different than other "debate" style threads,
a place where I could post various links and thoughts without being diverted into
points of contention.
He called Pater Satan and two other disciples.
Paul was a Pharisee, Paul never stopped being a Pharisee and neither did the tens of thousands of Pharisees who believed stop being Pharisees, Pharisee is not a derogatory name.
Lament over the King of Tyre
…12"Son of man, take up a lamentation over the king of Tyre and say to him, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "You had the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13"You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared. 14"You were the anointed cherub who covers, And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.…
Satan was beautiful and his covering is just like Jerusalem coming down out of heaven in the book of Revelation.
What did the beautiful creature cover in the garden?
When Adam and Eve became naked, wasn't it because they had no more covering?
Did Satan fall from heaven bringing a third of heaven with him?
Did they all fall to Earth, and were they seen in men?
We know for sure that Satan has access to men, because we see people speaking from their father Satan.
If Satan is a fallen angel, then why is he inside humanity, and where is the third of heaven that fell with him?
All 3 fell in the garden and all 3 were cursed together, and in those days, Satan was speaking to Eve, does he no longer speak to Eve?
His son are pitted against the sons of Eve, and the sons of Adam.
Who is the seed of the serpent?
Should mankind go out and kill all the snakes?
Is that what the most beautiful creature was, a snake and so we should kill his seed?
Or do we already know the seeds of Satan by their own acts?
Who are the sons of perdition other than those who stand against everything that is called of God or that is worshipped?
Paul was a Pharisee, Paul never stopped being a Pharisee and neither did the tens of thousands of Pharisees who believed stop being Pharisees, Pharisee is not a derogatory name.
true about Peter, but the comments I replied to were not about Peter, but John and James.
When Paul said "I am a Pharisee", he didn't mean that he was currently a Pharisee but
that he had been one. We don't know for sure if he was on the Sanhedrin. Probably not.
But when he was Saul, he did the Sanhedrin's bidding and was there when St. Stephen the
first martyr was murdered.
true about Peter, but the comments I replied to were not about Peter, but John and James.
When Paul said "I am a Pharisee", he didn't mean that he was currently a Pharisee but
that he had been one. We don't know for sure if he was on the Sanhedrin. Probably not.
But when he was Saul, he did the Sanhedrin's bidding and was there when St. Stephen the
first martyr was murdered.
Paul was a Pharisee and he said himself that he was a Pharisee. Tens of thousands of Jews believed and all them became even more zealous in keeping the law, Paul never left Judaism, and neither did any of the disciples, the first fathers were Pharisees.
Liars told lies about Paul so much that he had to make blood sacrifices to submit himself under the authority of the Pharisees just to prove the liars were liars, and that he never taught anyone not to keep the laws of Moses.
The first disciples never left Judaism, and the first converts converted to Judaism, under the authority of Pharisees, gentiles converted to Judaism and Christianity was a legal sect of Judaism for over 100 years.
The word Pharisee is not a derogatory term.
It is only derogatory to people who are biased against the laws.
If Satan is a fallen angel, then why is he inside humanity, and where is the third of heaven that fell with him?
And if Sons of Satan, was Satan and angel or not?
The Bible is clear that Satan is the chief of the fallen angels. He led the rebellion against God
and was thrown down to Earth where he started causing problems for humanity and all
creation. Because man had free will, he was created with the capacity to disobey God
because God doesn't want love that is not from the heart. That is also why God isn't
running about these days materializing in the living rooms of atheists. Any and all would
believe if it was like that. He doesn't want it that way... yet. Not until he is truly done
with man and this creation.. in the end times.
Satan did not take "one-third of heaven". He did not take any of heaven at all.
It was a third of the angels that chose to stand with him. Some more powerful than
others. To research them, you need to study demonology. Although demons cause
temptation, suffering, and confusion, they are never "inside" a man or woman if
that man or woman has God's Grace within them, the evil cannot enter. This doesn't
mean that those with grace are not tempted or are not subjected to the errors of
passion such as concerning the situations with Peter, John, and James. Of all
men and women the only one whom had grace beyond normal limits is the
Blessed Mother. The Blessed Mother is the New Eve. Satan fears her more than anyone, because she is the only created being that God incarnated in physically
she is the unconditional, perfect soul in union with God like none other.
The only cases in which a man or woman has demons or Satan himself truly
inside them, and not merely oppressing them, is in possession cases. Oppression
and obsession are not possession, and possession itself varies in depth. The most
possessed are the "perfectly possessed". Ultimately the Antichrist will be so perfectly
possessed that he will be Satan incarnate in human form, but not until God allows it
when His intent is to begin the end of this world.
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