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Old 06-16-2014, 10:52 AM
 
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Because there are two distinct doctrines that define the Christian:

By Grace and the Triune God.
From my observation here in this forum, not every Christian agrees with you, particularly about the Triune God, and some may say there is more than Grace required to be a real Christian.
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Old 06-16-2014, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Downtown Raleigh
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I believe in what the KJV Bible says, I don't have any need for organized religion.

I don't know much about other religions, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. Must be the culture I was born in I suppose.

The bible is the only "holy book" that starts with the story of creation In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.... Jesus rose from his tomb, Mohammed, Buddha, Ganesh, Confucious, etc. are still in theirs.

Are you suggesting that all claims in a holy book are valid, so you chose the one with the best claims?
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Old 06-16-2014, 12:00 PM
 
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I don't believe it or disbelieve it, the whole area is god's job.

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Old 06-16-2014, 12:06 PM
 
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As usual, Mike555 is on target!

Being a Christian is NOT about believing that one’s faith (or religion) is the ONLY true one. It’s about believing and trusting in the one true Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Here is a related question that may clarify the issue, with a slightly different slant:

"If you do not trust and believe in Jesus Christ as the one and only living Lord and Savior .... are you truly a Christian?" --- The truth is NO! -- (So, in this regard, 'Yes', even though Jesus Christ came as the 'Savior of Mankind', actually being a 'Christian' requires an 'exclusive' belief system).

Today, many folks are confused about this ... thinking that a 'Christian' can be almost anything: ... a 'good person', 'one who attends a Protestant church,' 'an American who is not a Muslim or some other world's religion', 'anyone who believes that God exists or that God loves them', 'someone who tries to keep the Ten Commandments,' 'someone who grew-up going to Sunday School' or 'whose father/grandfather was a preacher,' 'one who believes Jesus Christ existed or was a great teacher or prophet,' etc, etc. -- While a Christian may also fit into any of those statements, NONE of them make one a Christian (aka: follower of Jesus Christ).

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Old 06-16-2014, 12:13 PM
 
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As usual, Mike555 is on target with my beliefs.

Here is a related question that may clarify the issue with a slightly different slant:
"If you do not trust and believe in Jesus Christ as your one and only Lord and Savior .... can you truly be considered a Christian?" --- My vote is NO!
Gotta include the one who saved Jesus.
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Old 06-16-2014, 12:19 PM
 
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As usual, Mike555 is on target with my beliefs.

Here is a related question that may clarify the issue with a slightly different slant:

"If you do not trust and believe in Jesus Christ as your one and only living Lord and Savior .... are you truly a Christian?" --- The truth is NO!

Today, many folks are confused about this ... thinking that a 'Christian' can be almost anything: ... a 'good person', 'one who attends a Protestant church,' 'an American who is not a Muslim or some other world's religion', 'anyone who believes that God exists', 'someone who tries to keep the Ten Commandments,' 'someone who grew-up going to Sunday School' or 'whose father/grandfather was a preacher,' 'one who believes Jesus Christ existed or was a great teacher or prophet,' etc, etc. -- While a Christian may also fit into any of those statements, none of them make one a Christian (aka: follower of Jesus Christ).
Thank God that the ONLY one who knows the answer to this question is God . . . NOT you or any other biased human being pretending to know the truth that IS Christ.
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Old 06-16-2014, 12:24 PM
 
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What is the main reason that you believe traditional Christianity is the true faith of God?

I suppose this question is mainly directed towards the fundamental/evangelical believers. (That could include members of any denomination who believe that way.)
Please define your terms. What do you mean by "traditional Christianity"? Do you mean the present day traditions or the pre-Nicene traditions?
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Old 06-16-2014, 12:28 PM
 
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Originally Posted by jghorton Here is a related question that may clarify the issue with a slightly different slant:
"If you do not trust and believe in Jesus Christ as your one and only Lord and Savior .... can you truly be considered a Christian?" --- My vote is NO!
Is that what the apostle Paul, the apostle of the nations told us?

Please see Romans 4:

Wherefore, also, it is reckoned to him for righteousness." Now it was not written because of him only, that
it is reckoned to him, but because of us also, to whom it is about to be reckoned, who are believing on Him
Who rouses Jesus our Lord from among the dead." Who was given up because of our offenses, and was
roused because of our justifying." (Romans 4:22-25)

Notice nothing in that which is saying "If you just trust and believe in Christ Jesus as your one and only Lord and Saviour . . . ."
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Old 06-16-2014, 12:34 PM
 
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From my observation here in this forum, not every Christian agrees with you, particularly about the Triune God, and some may say there is more than Grace required to be a real Christian.
It's like the illustration that I made in a different post

it is doctrine that determines the truth as to the who have the true the true Christian faith .... not somebody simply claiming it.

As was pointed out in an other OP... there really are but only six main tenants of Christianity in which they agree among themself as to the core principles. The core beliefs are:

1 ....... the Bible is the true word of God.
2 ....... God is Triune ..... Jesus is God
3 ....... the message of the cross
4........ Jesus rose physically from the dead
5 ....... By grace we are saved
6A ..... Saved through faith
6B ..... Works are the reflection \ the result of faith, not the contributing to being saved.

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Old 06-16-2014, 12:37 PM
 
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It's like the illustration that I made in a different postit is doctrine that determines the truth .... not somebody simply claiming it.
The mentality of "well you are because you claim so ... so who am I to say otherwise" is really an admission of spiritual laziness or admission of wanton apathy for the truth.

As was pointed out ... there really are but only six main tenants of Christianity in which they agree among themself as to the core principles:
  1. the Bible is the true word of God.
  2. God is Triune ..... Jesus is God
  3. the message of the cross
  4. Jesus rose physically from the dead
  5. By grace we are saved
  6. Saved through faith
Those are your 6, but not the Bibles.
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