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I do not agree with what I THINK you want this passage to mean. I THINK you want this passage to mean you can judge, condemn and through the church chastise and abandon your brother for trespassing against you. Agape love and the Lord's prayer would say NO!
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Originally Posted by JJ_Maxx
Jesus is quite clear. There is no alternate interpretation. So you think Jesus' teaching here is wrong?
Stop putting words in my mouth. I said what I mean . . . NOT what YOU mean. I think YOUR interpretation of the teaching is wrong. There is no love in your view.
Because, Finn, you deny that capability to those who are led by the Spirit without reference to the book, so I am trying to demonstrate to you that the situation is the same.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
That capability was put to the test, and it failed.
Well, yes..... wait, which failure are you talking about, the failure of biblioidolotors to come to an agreement in good faith or the failure of two or more people who claim to be led by the Spirit to show the fruit of the Spirit? In both cases, the result IS obvious, isn't it?
It's one thing to "memorize" scriptures, but yet a totally different thing to LIVE said scriptures...way too many hypocrites in the Catholic/Baptist/Methodists/etc... churches today.
Well, yes..... wait, which failure are you talking about, the failure of biblioidolotors to come to an agreement in good faith or the failure of two or more people who claim to be led by the Spirit to show the fruit of the Spirit? In both cases, the result IS obvious, isn't it?
No, a group of people listening to what they claim is the Spirit give them different answers to the same question.
I'm wondering how you would treat a "tax collector or heathen", JJMaxx?
It doesn't say, but the Bible says we are to judge (correctly) our brothers and sisters in Christ for their own benefit. However we are not to judge unbelievers, because God will judge them.
Paul says this about a church member who is guilty of sexual immorality:
"hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord."
and
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
Human emotionism would probably teach to tolerate the sin in the church, and it highlights the problem of using emotions in place of the word of God, and in place of the Holy Spirit.
I asked JMaxx how he would treat tax collectors and pagans, not what the bible says. Are you saying that if don't think the bible addresses a specific group of people, you don't know how you should treat them?
I asked JMaxx how he would treat tax collectors and pagans, not what the bible says. Are you saying that if don't think the bible addresses a specific group of people, you don't know how you should treat them?
What I said is in the part you edited out. If you had not removed it you would not have to ask what I was saying. As for Matthew 18, reading about Jewish customs might help you understand what Jesus meant.
Last edited by Finn_Jarber; 06-30-2014 at 12:50 PM..
No, a group of people listening to what they claim is the Spirit give them different answers to the same question.
Come on, Finn a group of people reading what they think they are supposed to believe and conforming the Spirit to it also give different answers to the same question. That is called being human. The truth is decided by whether or not it is agape loving because that IS the Spirit against which we are to TEST . . . not what anyone THINKS.
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