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No, because you make claims that are untrue. You paint others with a false brush. Did I mention hate? Prejudice? Discrimination? Not at all, neither does God condone such behavior. You say that He directs your path, and yet you reject His Word? I fail to understand your theology. You are speaking from both sides of your mouth.
I agree. The Scripture teaches that we are not to judge those outside the church. I have never said anything differently.
Your doctrine is flawed. There is no 'attacking' at all. If there are members of my church that are living in unrepentant sin, they are approached in love in order that they may be brought back into the fullness of God's grace. Once again, backup by Scripture. Where does that come from? God. I know you really really want it to be hateful and discriminatory and you want to create all these loopholes but you will fail because God's Word is true and can be relied upon to lead all His children into righteousness.
Everyone is free to reject the Word of God, but I stand not in my own understanding, but wholly relying on God and what He has put forth as best for all His children.
Work on that plank. Do I need to give you the scripture quote?
I'll make a note you don't understand nuance. So here it is in plainer English: Each of us is capable of asking God, if we so desire, for guidance and direction. Help from the fundamentalists is not needed.
I know that will leave the fundamentalists with a lot of time on their hands. Perhaps they can start turning their energies away from the LGBT community and into something like..... here's an idea!...... feeding the hungry. I don't expect the fundamentalists to put the energy into re-examining their prejudices. I've lived too long to know that's not going to happen. So feeding the hungry seems like a more achievable goal.
I know many 'fundamentalists' who feed the hungry, construct showers for the homeless, provide clothing and shelter to those who don't have it and so on. Statements that they do not are slanderous lies published by sons of the devil itself.
Demands of sinners for the righteous to abandon bearing witness to the truth are common.
Those who dwell in darkness are like roaches. They hate the light and object loudly when their wickedness is revealed in God's good light - His word and Holy Law. They scurry away from it as quickly as they can - back into the filthy pits they live in.
Oh, and by the way, a sinner can pray to God - BUT A SINNERS PRAYER WILL NOT BE HEARD except for that of repentance.
Zip. Zero. Nada. Nothing. Never.
The only prayer God will actually hear from a sinner is the prayer of sincere repentance. Nothing else.
Only Christ can save a sinner from the fire of hell, which even now is being stoked for the arrival of another batch of reprobates.
The time is very late. Now is the time for salvation. Seek God and His mercy while it is still available. Seek Him today because the sincere prayer for mercy will be heard.
and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...
I know many 'fundamentalists' who feed the hungry, construct showers for the homeless, provide clothing and shelter to those who don't have it and so on. Statements that they do not are slanderous lies published by sons of the devil itself.
Demands of sinners for the righteous to abandon bearing witness to the truth are common.
Those who dwell in darkness are like roaches. They hate the light and object loudly when their wickedness is revealed in God's good light - His word and Holy Law. They scurry away from it as quickly as they can - back into the filthy pits they live in.
Oh, and by the way, a sinner can pray to God - BUT A SINNERS PRAYER WILL NOT BE HEARD except for that of repentance.
Zip. Zero. Nada. Nothing. Never.
The only prayer God will actually hear from a sinner is the prayer of sincere repentance. Nothing else.
Only Christ can save a sinner from the fire of hell, which even now is being stoked for the arrival of another batch of reprobates.
The time is very late. Now is the time for salvation. Seek God and His mercy while it is still available. Seek Him today because the sincere prayer for mercy will be heard.
and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...
I'm afraid these are myths spread by those trying to excuse homosexual behavior. This is simply a liberal attempt at altering the Scripture. Homosexuality is mentioned six times in the Scripture, in both the Old and New Testament, not to mention all the verses regarding marriage and they all point to homosexuality being condemned.
The truth is the Scripture is clear that God's perfect sexual relationship is between a man and woman within the confines of marriage and anything else is contrary to that and is therefore, sin.
The Scripture clearly and consistently forbids homosexual activity.
They aren't "myths" to the educated who understand about the culture and languages in which those often taken out of context texts were written. Homosexuality as we understand it is not mentioned at all. Anal sex acts and rape are. Mostly by heterosexual men (rape of male strangers) or those involved in idolatrous worshipping practices (temple prostitution). Those people and institutions who use those verses to bash 21st century gay and lesbian people are acting from ignorance and prejudice.
I'm afraid these are myths spread by those trying to excuse homosexual behavior. This is simply a liberal attempt at altering the Scripture. Homosexuality is mentioned six times in the Scripture, in both the Old and New Testament, not to mention all the verses regarding marriage and they all point to homosexuality being condemned.
The truth is the Scripture is clear that God's perfect sexual relationship is between a man and woman within the confines of marriage and anything else is contrary to that and is therefore, sin.
The Scripture clearly and consistently forbids homosexual activity.
Is your basket full of cherries yet? Because you've been picking them left and right since you joined the discussion.
Funny how "excusing homosexuality" is a "liberal" attempt to alter scripture. But what happens when I bring up the 42 kids killed by two bears sent by God? You know, that perfect God who is perfectly good? Murdering children for a petty insult. I can only assume then that killing kids for next to no good reason is a mark of perfection. Ah, but when I bring up this scripture, guess what happens.
"Oh, oh, but those weren't kids. No, no. They were youths, no, young adults. Yeah, they were in their 20's at least. And calling Elijah an 'old baldhead,' it was secret gangbanger code for 'we're going to torture you then kill you and then we're going to do the same to your family!' thus those kids, err, those gangbanger youths deserved to die. And don't forget, they all had weapons - swords, spears, knives. Some even had a bows and arrows trained on God's prophet. Those kids weren't innocent. They had murder in their eyes!!!"
Does the Bible say any of that? Nooo, of course it doesn't. That's just a conservative attempt at altering scripture so that they can somehow excuse God being an immoral prat - not to mention the despicable behavior of his wonderful "prophet" - by senselessly killing 42 kids. Boy does God know how to pick 'em, no? You have Abraham who had sex with multiple partners while married and happily agreed to sacrifice his own child. You had Lot who was all too eager to toss his 2 virgin daughters out to the crowd. You have Elijah who selfishly decided 42 kids needed to die for a silly playground insult. I wouldn't doubt for a nanosecond that if God was still in the business of picking prophets and "chosen" people, Hitler, Stalin, and Saddam Hussein would be on that list. It would fit the general pattern given how nice and wonderful God is.
So please, let's not get into who is altering which scriptures because I can sit around all day listing one depraved atrocity after another committed by your "wonderful" God and all of the cherry picked excuses people like you make for his actions. Such a disgrace.
God has answered in the God's Word. Do you feel God would tell you something that runs contrary to Himself? No. You suggest ignoring the Word of God and relying on your own understanding, which God states is wrong.
Oh, so you're saying gencide is NOT contrary to God. Thanks for admitting the fact that you actually worship evil, not good. You had best think hard about what you're saying because you're digging a hole with a backhoe, not a shovel, and you're standing in the bottom of it.
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Indeed, which is why I didn't state such. Every single member of my church, including the Pastor and myself, are sinners. However, this does not mean that we are not required to hold others accountable in love if they are living in unrepentant sin. Whether that sin is divorce, pornography, homosexuality, alcoholism, fornication... it doesn't matter. To ignore a person becoming enslaved to sin is not showing the love of Christ to them. I know that everyone in my church would do the same for me, and I am thankful for that.
People like you seem to forget - on a routine basis - that we live in a pluralistic society. That means that not everyone is a Christian, and those that are do not ALL adhere to your overly strict and draconian interpretation of scripture.
Most importantly, it means one very simple thing: BUTT OUT!
We non-Christians couldn't care less what you think is a sin. Divorce as a sin? Screw that. Have you ever been a battered wife, Maxx? Hmm? Let's see you take a few punches to the chops night after night and then see how long your "divorce is a sin" mantra holds up. What a crock.
And as far as being gay is concerned, SOME of us in this country really don't care what your non-existent God says about it. He can rant and rave, stomp his feet, throw himself on the ground and scream like a 6 year-old for all we care ... because we're not going to listen to some Bronze Age desert tribal god of the Hebrews in 21st Century America. Do I look Hebrew to you?
Christians like yourself need to understand that if you want to police your own congregation, that's fine. You go right ahead. But on a local, state, and national level, you need to keep your religious decrees out of the courthouses and state capitals (not to mention the federal Capitol) and remember that we do not, nor do we want, to live in a Christian theocracy. All you have to do is watch the news about ISIS to find out what inevitably and invariably happens each and every time religion is allowed to rule from the pulpit. It doesn't even matter the religion.
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This is not my ideas or simply my opinions, but they are the perfect will of God as testified in the Scriptures.
No, they are your opinions which are justified by your holy book. YOUR holy book. Not mine. I am under no obligation to adhere to even a single word written therein.
Here's what's REALLY awful: I knew gay men who were subjected to that stuff from their parents while they were dying of AIDS. The lecture usually came right before, "I never want to see you again."
Because, dontcha know, their sons were like roaches.... SMH.
Work on that plank. Do I need to give you the scripture quote?
No need. I know Matthew 7 and it doesn't teach what you think it teaches. It can be boiled down to: When you judge, don't judge hypocritically.
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They aren't "myths" to the educated who understand about the culture and languages in which those often taken out of context texts were written. Homosexuality as we understand it is not mentioned at all. Anal sex acts and rape are. Mostly by heterosexual men (rape of male strangers) or those involved in idolatrous worshipping practices (temple prostitution). Those people and institutions who use those verses to bash 21st century gay and lesbian people are acting from ignorance and prejudice.
First of all, you're mistaken because the evidence of Scripture mentioning homosexuality specifically plus the perfect God-designed man and woman relationship, plus the teachings regarding marriage all add up to homosexual acts being sin. You can turn a blind eye all you wish, but as I said, the Scripture is clear on the subject.
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Is your basket full of cherries yet? Because you've been picking them left and right since you joined the discussion.
Funny how "excusing homosexuality" is a "liberal" attempt to alter scripture. But what happens when I bring up the 42 kids killed by two bears sent by God? You know, that perfect God who is perfectly good? Murdering children for a petty insult. I can only assume then that killing kids for next to no good reason is a mark of perfection. Ah, but when I bring up this scripture, guess what happens.
"Oh, oh, but those weren't kids. No, no. They were youths, no, young adults. Yeah, they were in their 20's at least. And calling Elijah an 'old baldhead,' it was secret gangbanger code for 'we're going to torture you then kill you and then we're going to do the same to your family!' thus those kids, err, those gangbanger youths deserved to die. And don't forget, they all had weapons - swords, spears, knives. Some even had a bows and arrows trained on God's prophet. Those kids weren't innocent. They had murder in their eyes!!!"
Does the Bible say any of that? Nooo, of course it doesn't. That's just a conservative attempt at altering scripture so that they can somehow excuse God being an immoral prat - not to mention the despicable behavior of his wonderful "prophet" - by senselessly killing 42 kids. Boy does God know how to pick 'em, no? You have Abraham who had sex with multiple partners while married and happily agreed to sacrifice his own child. You had Lot who was all too eager to toss his 2 virgin daughters out to the crowd. You have Elijah who selfishly decided 42 kids needed to die for a silly playground insult. I wouldn't doubt for a nanosecond that if God was still in the business of picking prophets and "chosen" people, Hitler, Stalin, and Saddam Hussein would be on that list. It would fit the general pattern given how nice and wonderful God is.
So please, let's not get into who is altering which scriptures because I can sit around all day listing one depraved atrocity after another committed by your "wonderful" God and all of the cherry picked excuses people like you make for his actions. Such a disgrace.
You mistake justice for murder, which simply shows your lack of understanding for the perfect holiness and righteousness of the one true and perfectly just God. Also, the Scripture records the history of imperfect men and not everything is done by God in the Scripture nor condoned by God. I thought you would know that.
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Oh, so you're saying gencide is NOT contrary to God.
That is indeed what I am saying. I'm sorry that upsets you. I know you want a warm and fuzzy loving God that only gives out ponies and cotton candy and tells you how great you are. I'm sure there are religions out there that have a god like that, but Christianity is not and cannot be one of them. God is holy and righteous, and does not bear the sword in vain. But do not confuse justice with murder, as God does not murder.
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People like you seem to forget - on a routine basis - that we live in a pluralistic society. That means that not everyone is a Christian, and those that are do not ALL adhere to your overly strict and draconian interpretation of scripture.
I believe you need to re-read my posts, because I have said numerous times that it is not a Christians place to judge those outside the faith.
Work on that plank. Do I need to give you the scripture quote?
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No need. I know Matthew 7 and it doesn't teach what you think it teaches. It can be boiled down to: When you judge, don't judge hypocritically.
As you can see, Warden . . . the judges will NOT be deprived of their judging. Why they think our Almighty God needs THEM to judge or enforce His laws on anyone but themselves is a mystery of human psychology that continues to mystify me. The effort and diligence needed to judge and control my own issues in "love of God and each other" DAILY and repent when I don't . . . usually exceeds my capabilities. Adding the burden of watching, judging and condemning others is definitely too much. I can only assume that they must be ignoring their "planks" to do it, Warden.
As you can see, Warden . . . the judges will NOT be deprived of their judging. Why they think our Almighty God needs THEM to judge or enforce His laws on anyone but themselves is a mystery of human psychology that continues to mystify me. The effort and diligence needed to judge and control my own issues in "love of God and each other" DAILY and repent when I don't . . . usually exceeds my capabilities. Adding the burden of watching, judging and condemning others is definitely too much. I can only assume that they must be ignoring their "planks" to do it, Warden.
As usual, take your issue with Jesus Christ, who taught to judge out of love. Your doctrine is the opposite of love, mainly hypocrisy.
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