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Old 07-20-2014, 06:43 AM
 
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Both verses came after the fall as to events. The multiply and fill was something they were to do and did, after the Fall. ERROR, scripture, Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth". this command was before the fall. so try again.

Notice the calling her Eve also occurred after the Fall not before?

that's why she got the name, because of the fall. so tell me what was her name before the fall?, well.
Genesis 4:
1. And the man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived and bore Cain, and said: 'I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD.

First mention of Eve...


Eve (Hebrew: חַוָּה‎, Classical Hebrew: Ḥawwāh, Modern Israeli Hebrew: Khavah, Arabic: حواء‎, Syriac: ܚܘܐ, Tigrinya: ሕይዋን? or Hiywan) is a figure in the Book of Genesis in the Hebrew Bible. In Islamic tradition, Eve is known as Adam's wife though she is not specifically named in the Qur'an.

Eve in the Hebrew language is Ḥawwāh, meaning: "living one" or "source of life", and is related to ḥāyâ, "to live". The name derives from the Semitic root ḥyw.[2]

Hawwah has been compared to the Hurrian Goddess Kheba, who was shown in the Amarna Letters to be worshipped in Jerusalem during the Late Bronze Age. It has been suggested that the name Kheba may derive from Kubau, a woman who reigned as the first king of the Third Dynasty of Kish.[3][4]

The Goddess Asherah, wife of El, mother of the Elohim from the first millennium BCE was given the title Chawat, from which the name Hawwah in Aramaic was derived, Eve in English.[5]

It has been suggested that the Hebrew name Eve (חַוָּה) also bears resemblance[6] to an Aramaic word for "snake" (O.Arb.: חוה; J.Arm.: חִוְיָא)(see below).

- http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve

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Old 07-20-2014, 07:56 AM
 
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have sex with? was it Eve or did they have a sister? if it was a sister then what was her name and was she older than them? if it was the mother then how old were they and how old was Eve? If it was Eve then how did Adam feel about it?
Their sisters. We don't know their names, but we know that all humans are descendants of Adam, so it couldn't have been new women that were created.
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Old 07-20-2014, 11:32 AM
 
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not every single birth was recorded in Genesis. Thats why you read something and all of a sudden, people are there. where did they come from? Well the Bible doesn't record every single person born, just the pertinent ones God wants us to know about.

So Adam and Eve had kids, the kids had more kids, and so on, and lifespan was a lot longer in those days. Methusalah lived 900 years. Noah lived a long time. etc.. etc..
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Old 07-20-2014, 01:28 PM
 
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Their sisters. We don't know their names, but we know that all humans are descendants of Adam, so it couldn't have been new women that were created.
Vizio, one of his sister, yes, I agree, because all humans came from Adam, (the one man). but if one look at the genealogy, and the record account of Genesis chapter 4. there is no way that Cain married a sister who could have been born after the fall. remember Cain was afraid of other peoples who might kill him at the time of his brother murder. and Cain wife was already there. so that means she was born around his time of birth. I believe that the Children the Adams had in the Garden was doing just what God commanded, "fill the earth". I'm convinced that the Adams had children in the Garden before the fall. How long Adam and Eve was in the Garden having Children, (without pain in child bearing), no one really know except God. Like I have said, the Name given unto the First woman says tons about her. She "WAS" the mother of all LIVING, because after the fall, any child born unto them is born Spiritually "DEAD". so her name tells us, she was a Mother already, of all those who was born Spiritually alive unto God, (no sin yet). and also as I have pointed out, in chapter 3, in conception was her pain multiplied, not just multiplied, but "GREATLY" multiplied. look at the word "sorrow" in Genesis 3:16. so all the women who have pain in child birth, blame Eve. but one cannot increase nothing unless it have already had happen, that's a fact. and they was given the command to be fruitful, and the multiply, and I believe they did. for there is no reason according to scripture that they didn't.
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Old 07-20-2014, 01:53 PM
 
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not every single birth was recorded in Genesis. Thats why you read something and all of a sudden, people are there. where did they come from? Well the Bible doesn't record every single person born, just the pertinent ones God wants us to know about.

So Adam and Eve had kids, the kids had more kids, and so on, and lifespan was a lot longer in those days. Methusalah lived 900 years. Noah lived a long time. etc.. etc..
this is true, but the question linger, "When?". after the fall or before?. example, Melchisedec, or Melchizedek, without father, or mother, no record of his birth. see Hebrews 7:1-4, and notice verses 4 closely. Melchizedek was a “man”. I believe he had no record of his birth in the bible, because the bilbe is the written record of the fallen line of Adam. which I suspect Melchizedek was not in the fallen line. in verse 4 here it say, “ but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. the Son of God, JESUS was Spiritually alive from birth. here are the Sons of God mention in chapter 6 of Genesis account, those who was born Spiritually alive. that's how Eve got here name, "mother of all LIVING. if Melchizedek was born alive unto God, as other who was born alive unto God before the fall, clearly then we can see the Sons of God marrying the daughter of men, the fallen line. just as the Fallen line in cain, marrying into the daughter of the unfallen line of Adam. both are from the same parents, just one is Spiritually ALIVE, the other one spiritually DEAD.
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Old 07-20-2014, 01:56 PM
 
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why is incest wrong if it's just expressing love? what if they do it only to do it and not to have kids? brother and sister, mother and son, why is it wrong? It wasn't wrong back then so why would it be wrong now?
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Old 07-20-2014, 02:01 PM
 
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why is incest wrong if it's just expressing love? what if they do it only to do it and not to have kids? brother and sister, mother and son, why is it wrong? It wasn't wrong back then so why would it be wrong now?
incest back then had nothing to do with expressing love?. it was about survival back then. after the up numbering of the population there was no longer the need of incest with "close" of kin. yes, all of us are "far" kin, because we're all human, of one parentage.
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Old 07-20-2014, 06:24 PM
 
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Both verses came after the fall as to events. The multiply and fill was something they were to do and did, after the Fall. ERROR, scripture, Genesis 1:28 "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth". this command was before the fall. so try again.

Notice the calling her Eve also occurred after the Fall not before?

that's why she got the name, because of the fall. so tell me what was her name before the fall?, well.
The command was before the Fall, but there is absolutely no record of any children before the Fall.

She was called "woman".
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Old 07-20-2014, 06:40 PM
 
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Genesis 1:
And God said, Let us make man according to our image and likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the flying creatures of heaven, and over the cattle and all the earth, and over all the reptiles that creep on the earth.

*27* And God made man, according to the image of God he made him, male and female he made them.

*28[b]* And God blessed them, saying, Increase and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it[/u], and have dominion over the fish of the seas and flying creatures of heaven, and all the cattle and all the earth, and all the reptiles that creep on the earth.

The command to increase and multiply came before the fall...
Indeed. Then he created Adam to tend to the garden. Adam was not a hunter or fisherman as were those first created. Adam was a horticulturist or farmer. Cain went into Nod and found a wife there where he became a great leader, warrior, and builder of cities.
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Old 07-20-2014, 06:48 PM
 
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The command was before the Fall, but there is absolutely no record of any children before the Fall.

She was called "woman".
again, the bible is the record of the fallen line. so no record of the righteous line. that question is mute

and two, the name Eve was given unto her, "Mother" of all living, supportive scripture, Genesis 3:20 "And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living". one don't call a "WOMAN" a Mother unless she have already had children, not going to have , but already have. so that point is mute also.
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