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I don't. Just exactly WHY was Almighty God NOT able to resolve the situation any other way????? Why does my way NOT resolve the situation more lovingly, logically and reasonably????
Such question reveals the fact that you do not believe God chose the best option. Perhaps you would have done it differently
Any other way would have made God into a liar. He had said the punishment for sin is death, so to suddenly not enforce the law would require a lie. It is impossible for God to lie, and it was impossible for men to fulfill the law. Someone had to fulfill it, so God sent us the "Lamb of God", the only one who can fulfill the law, and who was the ultimate and final sacrifice, which would settle the requirement of death for all of us. He did it because He loved us, and He wanted to provide a way for us to have eternal life with Him.
The point is, you view them as being something they are not. God's will is stronger than man's. He is the Savior not maybe your savior, he will draw all men, his desire is his will, he always accomplishes that which he desires, yes i know Finn jarber that he desires us not to sin, and one day this will be realized whether you like it or not or agree with it or not.
God made a choice too if you want to pitch the choice of man against his, his choice was to save the world,, so quit trying to lift the will and choice of man over the will and choice of God.
Finn, you are changing the goal posts. Nothing was said about a jury making a wrong decision, the point was made that by the law Jesus was guilty even though He was not guilty of wrongdoing. The charge was blasphemy in that as a man He was making himself equal to God: guilty as charged even though it was true. He was killed for it. The Law failed to take into account the circumstances and it was wrong. Law in itself simply can't take sch circumstances into account, and as such is inadequate to judge us. You DO understand that we are NOT judged by Law, don't you?
Finn, saying that this is not as bad an injustice as another does not address the point that it IS an injustice. So, I assume that you are acknowledging that your explanation makes God out to be unjust?
The law of God was not followed, it was abused by corrupt people who framed Jesus for crimes He did not commit. I am not moving the goal posts, I am still asking the same question, because this "law invalidation" theory does not even begin to explain the issue.
The law of God was not followed, it was abused by corrupt people who framed Jesus for crimes He did not commit. I am not moving the goal posts, I am still asking the same question, because this "law invalidation" theory does not even begin to explain the issue.
Ok, Finn. You don't buy that. Now let's examine your explanation that implicates God in injustice in depth. Is injustice an attribute of God?
I think your arguing over things you should be finding from God , not from men. IMHO
The point, Arleigh, is that some of these people claim we are not Christian unless we subscribe to theories that make God appear monstrous when analyzed. It is only those exclusionary "circles" I am attempting to debunk.
I don't. Just exactly WHY was Almighty God NOT able to resolve the situation any other way????? Why does my way NOT resolve the situation more lovingly, logically and reasonably????
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
Such question reveals the fact that you do not believe God chose the best option. Perhaps you would have done it differently
Any other way would have made God into a liar. He had said the punishment for sin is death, so to suddenly not enforce the law would require a lie.
There is no lie involved . . . just ignorant primitive misunderstanding. When God said if they ate of the Tree of Life (knowing Good and Evil) they would surely die . . . He was simply acknowledging a fact. We needed to know Good and Evil to produce a Spirit and Spirits are born from our physical death. Death is NOT a punishment. It is a consequence of spiritual birth. Our physical body is merely the "placenta" that is discarded upon our birth as Spirit.
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It is impossible for God to lie, and it was impossible for men to fulfill the law. Someone had to fulfill it, so God sent us the "Lamb of God", the only one who can fulfill the law, and who was the ultimate and final sacrifice, which would settle the requirement of death for all of us. He did it because He loved us, and He wanted to provide a way for us to have eternal life with Him.
What was impossible was for any of us to produce a perfect Spirit in agape love. That is why we needed Christ to do it for us . . . NOT to pay God some horrendous blood sacrifice! We all still die . . . but that simply means we all are "born again" as Spirit . . . as Christ was. But now we have Christ's perfect Spirit to connect us to God AND as the Comforter to guide us within our consciousness to the truth God has "written in our hearts."
What was impossible was for any of us to produce a perfect Spirit in agape love. That is why we needed Christ to do it for us . . . NOT to pay God some horrendous blood sacrifice! We all still die . . . but that simply means we all are "born again" as Spirit . . . as Christ was. But now we have Christ's perfect Spirit to connect us to God AND as the Comforter to guide us within our consciousness to the truth God has "written in our hearts."
If you don't believe He died for our sins, then what did Him showing it to us accomplish?
There is no lie involved . . . just ignorant primitive misunderstanding. When God said if they ate of the Tree of Life (knowing Good and Evil) they would surely die . . . He was simply acknowledging a fact. We needed to know Good and Evil to produce a Spirit and Spirits are born from our physical death. Death is NOT a punishment. It is a consequence of spiritual birth. Our physical body is merely the "placenta" that is discarded upon our birth as Spirit.
What was impossible was for any of us to produce a perfect Spirit in agape love. That is why we needed Christ to do it for us . . . NOT to pay God some horrendous blood sacrifice! We all still die . . . but that simply means we all are "born again" as Spirit . . . as Christ was. But now we have Christ's perfect Spirit to connect us to God AND as the Comforter to guide us within our consciousness to the truth God has "written in our hearts."
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
If you don't believe He died for our sins, then what did Him showing it to us accomplish?
He died BECAUSE OF (for) our ancestors' sins (ignorance, savagery and barbarity). It showed us we have nothing to fear from death because it is actually a birth. He unambiguously displayed God's pure agape love for us all . . . despite the most egregious of sinful and savage behavior. It is mercy He wants us to learn . . . NOT barbaric blood sacrifices to Him. He came to call to attention the savage and barbaric sinners we had become . . . completely devoid of agape love.
He died BECAUSE OF (for) our ancestors' sins (ignorance, savagery and barbarity). It showed us we have nothing to fear from death because it is actually a birth. He unambiguously displayed God's pure agape love for us all . . . despite the most egregious of sinful and savage behavior. It is mercy He wants us to learn . . . NOT barbaric blood sacrifices to Him. He came to call to attention the savage and barbaric sinners we had become . . . completely devoid of agape love.
I did not ask what He showed us, I asked how Him showing us stuff accomplished something. If He had managed to teach all that to people, then they would not have killed Him.
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