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Old 08-18-2014, 12:18 PM
 
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and as it is laid up to men once to die, and after this -- judgment,


Why do christians use this verse to say you are done if you have not believed in this life, or there is no second chance or anything similar to this( however they choose to flavor it to make it convincing) ?.

If it is correct that judgement follows death why do you believe that the judgement is one of condemnation rather than one of reformation?. I see the judicial system of the world more merciful than many christians show their allegiance to.
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Old 08-18-2014, 12:47 PM
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and as it is laid up to men once to die, and after this -- judgment,


Why do christians use this verse to say you are done if you have not believed in this life, or there is no second chance or anything similar to this( however they choose to flavor it to make it convincing) ?.

If it is correct that judgement follows death why do you believe that the judgement is one of condemnation rather than one of reformation?. I see the judicial system of the world more merciful than many christians show their allegiance to.
John 3

16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”

Luke 13

22 And He was passing through from one city and village to another, teaching, and proceeding on His way to Jerusalem. 23 And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ then He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’; 27 and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; depart from Me, all you evildoers.’
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Old 08-18-2014, 12:52 PM
 
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John 3

16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”

Luke 13

22 And He was passing through from one city and village to another, teaching, and proceeding on His way to Jerusalem. 23 And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ then He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’; 27 and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; depart from Me, all you evildoers.’
Jimmie, you are on target! ... except for the fact that you are writing to Universalists who have made-up their minds to focus on isolated passages and reject the main body of scripture. As has been demonstrated time and again on this forum, they will not even consider or will simply misinterpret scripture that is contrary to their narrow views.
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Old 08-18-2014, 12:53 PM
 
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and as it is laid up to men once to die, and after this -- judgment,


Why do christians use this verse to say you are done if you have not believed in this life, or there is no second chance or anything similar to this( however they choose to flavor it to make it convincing) ?.

If it is correct that judgement follows death why do you believe that the judgement is one of condemnation rather than one of reformation?. I see the judicial system of the world more merciful than many christians show their allegiance to.
Really is astonishing. isn't it? Our judicial system might sentence someone to life for taking another's life but a whole lot of Christians sentence that same individual to centuries of roasting in some fiery hell and then have to be called forth to a kangaroo court where he is humiliated and scorned before being finally sentenced once again to an eternity in a Lake of Fire or finally allowed to be put out of his misery.

Sad, isn't it?
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Old 08-18-2014, 12:58 PM
 
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Jimmie, you are on target! ... except for the fact that you are writing to Universalists who have made-up their minds to focus on isolated passages and reject the main body of scripture. As has been demonstrated time and again on this forum, they will not even consider or will simply misinterpret scripture that is contrary to their narrow views.
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Old 08-18-2014, 01:11 PM
 
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and as it is laid up to men once to die, and after this -- judgment,


Why do christians use this verse to say you are done if you have not believed in this life, or there is no second chance or anything similar to this( however they choose to flavor it to make it convincing) ?.

If it is correct that judgement follows death why do you believe that the judgement is one of condemnation rather than one of reformation?. I see the judicial system of the world more merciful than many christians show their allegiance to.
Judgement is not always negative except for those who reject Christ.

Plus that was a general observation, as the boy Elijah raised from the dead, the young boy Jesus raised, the boy Paul raised, all died again. However it was due to Adamic sin and imperfection.
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Old 08-18-2014, 01:28 PM
 
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Really is astonishing. isn't it? Our judicial system might sentence someone to life for taking another's life but a whole lot of Christians sentence that same individual to centuries of roasting in some fiery hell and then have to be called forth to a kangaroo court where he is humiliated and scorned before being finally sentenced once again to an eternity in a Lake of Fire or finally allowed to be put out of his misery.

Sad, isn't it?
What about babies who die? Once to die and then the judgment?
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Old 08-18-2014, 01:34 PM
 
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What about babies who die? Once to die and then the judgment?
Would it make sense if they were judged righteous due to their inability to understand the issue of sin?
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Old 08-18-2014, 01:40 PM
 
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Would it make sense if they were judged righteous due to their inability to understand the issue of sin?
Perhaps.

But this flies in the face of traditional "if you don't believe in Christ you will not be saved".
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Old 08-18-2014, 01:43 PM
 
Location: New England
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Judgement is not always negative except for those who reject Christ.

Plus that was a general observation, as the boy Elijah raised from the dead, the young boy Jesus raised, the boy Paul raised, all died again. However it was due to Adamic sin and imperfection.
How do you reject Jesus Christ and why is rejecting Jesus Christ punishable by eternal torment or annihilation.
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