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Well, better things, sure. But maybe we're somewhere down the list.
Very high up if you ask me.
What is mankind that you are mindful of them,
human beings that you care for them?c
You have made themd a little lower than the angelse
and crowned themf with glory and honor.
You made them rulers over the works of your hands;
you put everything under their feet:
For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
Patato, pototo, it amounts to the same thing fin and you know it.
However if people believe scripture says not everyone will be saved go ahead and post them, good luck.
It is not the same thing, because Christ is the savior, there are no other saviors, but does not mean everyone is saved, since many will reject Him. Many verses have already been provided saying who will be saved, and the verdict is simple: only those who believe will be saved.
At least we know the source of your confusion now.
It is not the same thing, because Christ is the savior, there are no other saviors, but does not mean everyone is saved, since many will reject Him. Many verses have already been provided saying who will be saved, and the verdict is simple: only those who believe will be saved.
At least we know the source of your confusion now.
One of the problems with Universal salvation (though I have no objection if it is true) is that it actually encourages people to ignore God, because God will fix it all in the end. Keep sinning as God will purify you at the end. No problem if it is something you won't like as we all do things that could have negative consequences.The Bible is full of verses encouraging us to not sin, be obedient and change. There is a reason for that.
Now the real problem comes in if in fact it isn't true. It has led many to sin and keep sinning and what a surprise when ... they are not refined at all.
Kinda like being told that police will not write you a ticket if you are going just under 10 miles per hour over the speed limit. Too late to do anything about it if a police officer stops you for doing 5 MPH over the limit and ... you get a ticket.
Better to say Obey or else, than obey if you wish and if not God will still save you in spite of yourself, your desires, etc.
It is not the same thing, because Christ is the savior, there are no other saviors, but does not mean everyone is saved, since many will reject Him. Many verses have already been provided saying who will be saved, and the verdict is simple: only those who believe will be saved.
At least we know the source of your confusion now.
Not all who believe will be saved--Matt 7:21-23-- Jesus makes it clear there--those who live now to do Gods will, get to enter his kingdom( be saved). That is the bottom line of one being saved---living now 24/7 for Gods will. Matt 16:24
One of the problems with Universal salvation (though I have no objection if it is true) is that it actually encourages people to ignore God, because God will fix it all in the end. Keep sinning as God will purify you at the end. No problem if it is something you won't like as we all do things that could have negative consequences.The Bible is full of verses encouraging us to not sin, be obedient and change. There is a reason for that.
Now the real problem comes in if in fact it isn't true. It has led many to sin and keep sinning and what a surprise when ... they are not refined at all.
Kinda like being told that police will not write you a ticket if you are going just under 10 miles per hour over the speed limit. Too late to do anything about it if a police officer stops you for doing 5 MPH over the limit and ... you get a ticket.
Better to say Obey or else, than obey if you wish and if not God will still save you in spite of yourself, your desires, etc.
I agree-- Jesus taught--Go sin no more---Why?---because he meant it---Matt 7:21-23 will prove it at judgement time.
As well--Paul taught--Hebrews 10:26---Jesus sacrifice does not count for those who practice sin( workers of iniquity)
and was told that there are many scriptures that state God will not save the world. I then asked for people to produce these scriptures. No scriptures were given that state God will not save the world. Yet these same people believe, without scripture acknowledgement of their belief that God will not save the world. They do this even in the face of scripture that plainly tells us Jesus Christ is the saviour of ALL MEN, speacially of those that believe, this command and teach.
This is proof of the saying that if a lie is told enough time it becomes the truth (so called truth).
God gave us a free will to reject Him, and most do. God calls all to be saved, but most- due to pride, intellectualism, and an unwillingness to face up to conviction of sin do not heed His call. Your trying to be "cute" with words and reasoning may make you feel very smart, but it contributes nothing positive to anyone.
Where is the scripture that tells us God is not the saviour of the world? You guys maintain there are many, yet not one person has come up with one. You simply believe something NOT recorded in the scriptures. At least what I believe IS recorded in the scriptures and I do not need to twist it to say something it does not. I mean how much plainer can you get then
Jesus Christ is the saviour of ALL MEN, speacially those that believe, this command and teach.
You have believed another gospel then the one given by the apostles, that same gospel we were warned not to fall sway under.
Now lets look at the scripture you gave. First lets be clear, that scripture does not say God is not the saviour of the world, yet you are using it to try and make it say exactly that. Talk about twisting the scriptures to make them say something they do not say.
Second everyone that believes in Jesus will have eternal life. Well I actually agreee with this scripture also, however you do not seem to believe it at all. For who shall believe in Jesus Christ? Scripture tells us every knee shall bow and evry tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
So again I ask who is it that believes in Jesus Christ, scripture proclaims every tongue. So as every tongue will confess Jesus Christ how is it you try and twist this scripture to say not everyone will believe.
Third, you misrepresent what Christ centered universalist believe. Show me one post where any of us have said nobody will perish and where we have said people have eternal life whether they believe in him or not. Put up or stop the lies. Besides it is not our belief that maintains that people have eternal life whether they believe or not in Jesus Christ, that belief is actually what you believe, for eternal torment holds that people who do not believe in Jesus Christ will have an eternal life of torment.
Well as can be seen it is not I who has had to twist the scriptures or ignored the scriptures, but you who did.
Nonsense! You simply continue to ignore the truth. Yes, God is the one and only Savior of the World and of mankind, but, nowhere in scripture does it say that everyone will be saved! That is simply wishful thinking on behalf of those who refuse to accept scripture simply as it is written.
You make an interesting (untrue) case about John 3:16, but, what about John 3:18 -- Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
The reason people do not see this simple truth is because they suppress it (Rom 1:18-20) and refuse to see it. When scripture declares something outside of their personal belief, the UR's fall back to UR doctrine and NOT the Bible. "Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess" ... is then used as though what happens AFTER this earthly lifetime, cancels-out all sin and refusal to "bow one's knee and confess Jesus as Lord" DURING this lifetime. ...
..... Enough, it is pointless to argue scripture with those who believe they can justify selectively isolating passages to make it agree with the UR version of a "loving God" who only does what they imagine He will do (one who is without justice or holiness). God will ultimately do what God will do; and if that means God will ultimately choose to save everyone, then Praise God! -- But, until His Word of truth says otherwise, I'll stick with what He has revealed to us in His written Word of Truth... which is in complete agreement with His living Word of Truth - Jesus Christ!
It is not the same thing, because Christ is the savior, there are no other saviors, but does not mean everyone is saved, since many will reject Him. Many verses have already been provided saying who will be saved, and the verdict is simple: only those who believe will be saved.
At least we know the source of your confusion now.
Not quite so simple since you also think babies are automatically saved. But why stop at babies. Believing in baby universalism is perhaps the first step in coming to understand the full love and plan of God.
God gave us a free will to reject Him, and most do. God calls all to be saved, but most- due to pride, intellectualism, and an unwillingness to face up to conviction of sin do not heed His call. Your trying to be "cute" with words and reasoning may make you feel very smart, but it contributes nothing positive to anyone.
If we are born in sin and shapen in iniquity we are enslaved no matter how much free will we own.
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