No Evidence On What Happened to the 10 Apostles

[Snowball7]

Originally Posted by thrillobyte

You proved my point. If I cannot prove what I did a year ago, how can we expect anyone to prove Jesus was crucified and rose 2000 years ago. It's all a matter of belief and faith. There IS no concrete evidence. It's unfair for God to expect us to accept the words of non-eyewitnesses who lived 50 years after the fact and only recorded stories they heard without actually witnessing them. No one today would accept as fact I flew around the world without a jetliner no matter how many disciples I had who claimed and wrote it was true.

The faith spread like wildfire in sundry accessions, increasing all the time with miracles
and conversions.. pagans said it was magic arts of Peter and other disciples.. word of mouth
and eyewitnesses made it spread very fast.. so many gave up all they owned to join, and
were persecuted. The explosion of belief which took place before, during and after the Gospels
were written is a testimony that the faith did not spring from the Gospels.. but from a real
movement in which men and women were changed dramatically by phenomenal events.
For example scroll down to Book 18 Chapter 54 here: CHURCH FATHERS: City of God, Book XVIII (St. Augustine)

[Tired of the Nonsense]

Originally Posted by Snowball7

The faith spread like wildfire in sundry accessions, increasing all the time with miracles
and conversions.. pagans said it was magic arts of Peter and other disciples.. word of mouth
and eyewitnesses made it spread very fast.. so many gave up all they owned to join, and
were persecuted. The explosion of belief which took place before, during and after the Gospels
were written is a testimony that the faith did not spring from the Gospels.. but from a real
movement in which men and women were changed dramatically by phenomenal events.
For example scroll down to Book 18 Chapter 54 here: CHURCH FATHERS: City of God, Book XVIII (St. Augustine)

The same thing happened with the rise of Islam. Once it got going it was like a wildfire.

[thrillobyte]

Originally Posted by Snowball7

The faith spread like wildfire in sundry accessions, increasing all the time with miracles
and conversions.. pagans said it was magic arts of Peter and other disciples.. word of mouth
and eyewitnesses made it spread very fast.. so many gave up all they owned to join, and
were persecuted. The explosion of belief which took place before, during and after the Gospels
were written is a testimony that the faith did not spring from the Gospels.. but from a real
movement in which men and women were changed dramatically by phenomenal events.
For example scroll down to Book 18 Chapter 54 here: CHURCH FATHERS: City of God, Book XVIII (St. Augustine)

Snowball, what is your historic evidence for

1. The faith spread like wildfire
2. increasing all the time with miracles
3. word of mouth and eyewitnesses made it spread very fast..
4. The explosion of belief which took place before, during and after the Gospels were written

particularly, snowball, notice how nonsensical no 4 is: before the gospels there is a period of 40-80 years; during the writing of the gospels there is a period of 40 years; after the gospels were written there is a period of 1900 years. Where specifically in these three periods particularly the 1900 years did this explosion occur?

5. the faith did not spring from the Gospels.. but from a real movement in which men and women were changed dramatically by phenomenal events.

Unless you can cite historic writings backing these five claims, your speech is pure subjective opinion, is it not?

[Klambo]

Originally Posted by thrillobyte

Snowball, what is your historic evidence for

1. The faith spread like wildfire
2. increasing all the time with miracles
3. word of mouth and eyewitnesses made it spread very fast..
4. The explosion of belief which took place before, during and after the Gospels were written

particularly, snowball, notice how nonsensical no 4 is: before the gospels there is a period of 40-80 years; during the writing of the gospels there is a period of 40 years; after the gospels were written there is a period of 1900 years. Where specifically in these three periods particularly the 1900 years did this explosion occur?

Most Christians give little or no credit to Constantine for the transformation of a small cult religion into a worldwide religion.
It's pretty clear that Constantine did more for the spread of Christianity than any alleged resurrection event or alleged martyrdom of the apostles.

[thrillobyte]

Originally Posted by Klambo

Most Christians give little or no credit to Constantine for the transformation of a small cult religion into a worldwide religion.
It's pretty clear that Constantine did more for the spread of Christianity than any alleged resurrection event or alleged martyrdom of the apostles.

Oh I agree wholeheartedly. Constantine is more important than Jesus and Paul combined in getting Christianity to where it is today. And a crying shame too because he had a choice between krishna and the Druid god, hesus and Jesus Christ sorta grew out of the two (hesus = Jesus + krishna = Krista = khrist = Christ adds up to Jesus Christ) If he had chosen Krishna instead we'd have a much more peaceful religion. But then again man mucks up anything he lays his grubby hands on so that one probably would have been corrupted as well.

By the way, I notice snowball kinda ran away from my question faster than a giant snowball careening down a mountainside.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Tired of the Nonsense

The same thing happened with the rise of Islam. Once it got going it was like a wildfire.

But with a sword, unlike the original growth of Christianity. Yes, later the Church started using the sword to and ... they are sharing the same boat with Islam.