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Old 09-06-2014, 12:56 AM
 
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Russian president Putin has been demonized and his statements have been twisted to make him look like an aggressor.
Putin is just continuing Russia's ongoing land-grab scheme. He did it to Georgia. He's doing it to Ukraine. He'll continue taking little pieces of former USSR members until somebody stands up to him.

When Russia officially recognized the sovereignty of Ukraine and all other USSR provinces, they gave up all claims to the territories of those new nations. Putin has no intention of respecting those borders at all. How on earth is he not the aggressor? Did Ukraine invade Russia and I missed it?

As cupper said, "They live among us."

 
Old 09-06-2014, 10:07 AM
 
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Putin is just continuing Russia's ongoing land-grab scheme. He did it to Georgia. He's doing it to Ukraine. He'll continue taking little pieces of former USSR members until somebody stands up to him.

When Russia officially recognized the sovereignty of Ukraine and all other USSR provinces, they gave up all claims to the territories of those new nations. Putin has no intention of respecting those borders at all. How on earth is he not the aggressor? Did Ukraine invade Russia and I missed it?

As cupper said, "They live among us."
This is the "Threads" scenario--excellent British apocalyptic movie from the 80's. Worth the watch:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AUYCnzmDJY
 
Old 09-06-2014, 10:13 AM
 
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Putin Threatens Nuclear War Over Ukraine - The Daily Beast


If WW3 does start it will be between the USA and Russia over their invasion of Ukraine.

The prophecy had always been that WW3 and antichrist would be over Russia invading Israel, but Israel has nothing to do with this.

So how does Ukraine figure into the prophecy? WW3 is a very real possibility right now because Putin is a megalomaniac and is determined to put the old Soviet Union back together again. And he'd let nuclear missiles fly if the USA and/or NATO got in his way.
It could have NOTHING to do with Biblical prophecy.
 
Old 09-06-2014, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Arizona
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Putin is just continuing Russia's ongoing land-grab scheme. He did it to Georgia. He's doing it to Ukraine. He'll continue taking little pieces of former USSR members until somebody stands up to him.

When Russia officially recognized the sovereignty of Ukraine and all other USSR provinces, they gave up all claims to the territories of those new nations. Putin has no intention of respecting those borders at all. How on earth is he not the aggressor? Did Ukraine invade Russia and I missed it?

As cupper said, "They live among us."
Russia officially DID recognize Ukraine, but, they also saw what was going on when the elected president (Yanukovich) was ousted a few months ago and replaced by a Washington puppet, (Poroshenko). They are watching Ukraine with interest, because they know that the people of Eastern Ukraine don't wish to live under an evil person that was placed in power by the West. Are there no Americans that realize the evil that is in Washington? Well, yes there are, but the public, by and large, would rather relax in front of their TVs and watch the nightly news, which has been bought and paid off. I'm inserting an article by Paul Craig Roberts, a REAL American that was appointed by President Reagan as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy. Paul is a conservative with inside Washington connections, and he has dedicated his life to exposing the lies that are running the policies coming out of Washington and the West. People like him often end up suddenly dying from "natural causes". Once you open your eyes, you begin to realize that Washington is about as close to Anti-Christ as you can get. The action in Georgia was another scenario where the US backed a tyrant and the Russians saw through the lies. The Russian army took care of Georgia in 5 hours. 5 hours! And did they grab that land? No!!!! They retreated once the situation was stable. They are not out to grab land. If they wanted the Ukraine, they coould also take it in a matter of hours. But they don't and won't. The news reports of Russian Army crossing the border are lies. If it were true, it would be obvious by now, and there would be a major movement of men and supplies. The satillite photos DO NOT show this invasion. It shows the movement of thousands of refugees fleeing Ukraine! So who is the real liar? The West Paves The Road To War With Lies -- Paul Craig Roberts - PaulCraigRoberts.org

I mentioned that the Ukraine Air Force shot down the Malasian Airliner. Did you investigate it? Or are you satisfied to believe the media? The real evidence is on the web along with photos. Here let me make it easy for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ze9BNGDyk4 and: Evidence Is Now Conclusive: 2 Ukrainian Government Fighter-Jets Did Shoot Down that Malaysian Airliner. No

The OP asked about prophetic significance. One of the problems with many, (or most) people, is that we want a quick, fast answer, summed up in a way that we can understand and it fits into our ideology. Well, I'm sorry, but God doesn't usually work that way. The example I gave of the Jews not recognizing baby Jesus was of Anna and Simeon. Both were devout people that knew God, not in a religious way, but personally, and they lived out their belief and faith. They knew who Jesus was because God told them, and HE told them because they were REALLY living for Him. This is the definition of explaining prophecy. God is the One who explains prophecy to those that have ears to hear and eyes to see. He requires diligence and life-long dedication to Himself. These two had that. To people that have itching ears God will give them what they desire, but it probably won't be the whole truth. You may need to read God's explanations in the first half of Ezekiel 14.

Russia and China are two of the Kings of the East as described in Revelation 16. The River Euphrates will dry up so that they can cross it. Do you REALLY think that Russia and/or China could be stopped by a river? Come on! Get real! These are the explanations of people without God's prophetic insight! The word Euphrates means "good and abounding" in Greek, or "fruitfulness" in Hebrew. This is a conceptual word and it is referring to the fruitfulness of something that flows as a river, then drying up. In this instance, it is the fruitfulness of the west's monetary system coming to an end. In essence, it is the fall of the Federal Reserve System and the power of the petro dollar coming to an end. A prosperous river that has given wealth to America and the western countries. It is a prophetic repeat of what happened to Babylon when the Medes and the Persians diverted the water of the Euphrates and they went under the wall and entered and conquered Babylon without resistance. The exact same thing is happening in our day. The river of usery that is propped up by the US Dollar being the reserve currency of the world is about to dry up, but the governments of the west refuse to believe it. They are also partying as Beshazzar did, and celebrating their prosperity by drinking out of the goblets of true faith. (The prosperity Gospel, which is false, thinking that God's favor is shown in monetary prosperity). The BRICS are establishing a currency system that will divert the power of the petro dollar, and when that finally begins to be an active system, the source of the western banking usery system will dry up and the dollar will collapse in value; and it will happen suddenly and by surprise. The west will be caught in a surprise collapse that will be as swift and amazing as it was for Belshazzar. - The writing is on the wall. It is just a matter of time now.
 
Old 09-06-2014, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Arizona
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This is the "Threads" scenario--excellent British apocalyptic movie from the 80's. Worth the watch:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AUYCnzmDJY
Really good movie, Thrill! It has all the fear, hopelessness, and despair of a good fiction! Too bad that it is playing on mankind's tendancy to see these things as an end. God, through His Son Jesus plans on rectifying and returning the earth to glory! Haven't seen that movie yet! I guess the movie industry doesn't know God's plan for the ages!
 
Old 09-06-2014, 11:50 AM
 
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This is the "Threads" scenario--excellent British apocalyptic movie from the 80's. Worth the watch:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AUYCnzmDJY
Brilliant Thrill, where did you dig this up from.?.
 
Old 09-06-2014, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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trumpethim, you're making a whole lot of bad excuses for Russia's aggressive bullying behaviors rather than just owning it.

I'll own this much about the USA. We meddle. We butt into other nation's business. We invade. We try to remake the world in our own image and we have no right. The reason we keep getting stuck fighting forces like ISIS is because we meddled in the first place.

When Russia recognized Ukrainian independence, they gave up the right to tell Ukraine what to do. The problem is that both Russia and the USA spend the entire Cold War manipulating and trying to control events all over the world. They both need to just stop. And now China wants to get into that game as well. Ukraine is a nation being manipulated by both sides when it ought to be left alone.

The key players in any WW3 scenario are inevitably going to be the EU, the USA, Russia, China and India. Other military powers may rise as well. For those nations to go all-out, somebody would need to neutralize nukes entirely. I have no idea how that happens, but lets say it does. India and China had a border war back in the day and they don't like each other. Russia and China have the same past history. The EU resents the USA and Russia both for effectively supplanting the European great powers and making them practically irrelevant in the Cold War, but they are more likely to trust the USA than Russia but they don't exactly love either.

There really isn't a truly plausible WW3 scenario right now.
 
Old 09-06-2014, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Arizona
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trumpethim, you're making a whole lot of bad excuses for Russia's aggressive bullying behaviors rather than just owning it.

I'll own this much about the USA. We meddle. We butt into other nation's business. We invade. We try to remake the world in our own image and we have no right. The reason we keep getting stuck fighting forces like ISIS is because we meddled in the first place.

When Russia recognized Ukrainian independence, they gave up the right to tell Ukraine what to do. The problem is that both Russia and the USA spend the entire Cold War manipulating and trying to control events all over the world. They both need to just stop. And now China wants to get into that game as well. Ukraine is a nation being manipulated by both sides when it ought to be left alone.

The key players in any WW3 scenario are inevitably going to be the EU, the USA, Russia, China and India. Other military powers may rise as well. For those nations to go all-out, somebody would need to neutralize nukes entirely. I have no idea how that happens, but lets say it does. India and China had a border war back in the day and they don't like each other. Russia and China have the same past history. The EU resents the USA and Russia both for effectively supplanting the European great powers and making them practically irrelevant in the Cold War, but they are more likely to trust the USA than Russia but they don't exactly love either.

There really isn't a truly plausible WW3 scenario right now.
That's all well and good stuff G.O.T. but we're not exactly talking about a WWIII scenario. WWIII is a scenario that is not central in the plan of God, but is central in the common prophetic belief of many. The plan of God includes the collapse of Mystery Babylon, and we are all sitting in the midst of that scenario at present.
 
Old 09-08-2014, 12:49 AM
 
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Brilliant Thrill, where did you dig this up from.?.
This was the British counterpart to the American TV movie, "The Day After" aired on ABC in 1983 starring Jason Robards, shot during the height of the cold war. The scene in which the bombs are on their way is actually more gut-wrenching in the American version, but the British version had more realism in the aftermath.

Bombs falling scene in The Day After:


The Day After - Nuclear Attack on the US - YouTube

Just follow the accompanying links to the right and the full movie is there.
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