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Old 10-16-2014, 06:05 AM
 
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=Arach Angle;36694153]if your catholic you know that taking the bible too literal is wrong. It is on the other Christians to prove it is the sole word of god. Not Catholics. Rome helped assemble the bible.
Actually not

Saint Augustine and others too hold that the FIRST reading of the entire bible is to towards a literal understanding of it.

Is everything literal. NO! BUT very much of it is. And that dear friend is why God gave the keys ONLY to His Catholic Church who alone is enabled and guided to share the ENTIRETY of what is necessarily God's singular truths.

God Bless you,

Patrick
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Old 10-16-2014, 06:28 AM
 
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=EddieOlSkool;36706013]But they were never declared sins. Where there is no law there is no transgression. You are ADDING to God's Word.
My friend, your a bit naive in thinking ALL sins are spelled out.

Gen. 38: 6-10 " [6] And Juda took a wife for Her his firstborn, whose name was Thamar. [7] And Her, the firstborn of Juda, was wicked in the sight of the Lord: and was slain by him. [8] Juda, therefore said to Onan his son: Go in to thy brother' s wife and marry her, that thou mayst raise seed to thy brother. [9] He knowing that the children should not be his, when he went in to his brother' s wife, spilled his seed upon the ground, lest children should be born in his brother' s name. [10] And therefore the Lord slew him, because he did a detestable thing."


Hebrews 10:16 "And this is the testament which I will make unto them after those days, saith the Lord. I will give my laws in their hearts, and on their minds will I write them"

God Created man in his own image Gen. 1:26-27, and gives each of us a mind, intellect, and freewill that are attachments to our Souls so that we can fulfill the reason for OUR creation:

Isaiah 43: 7 & 21 "7] And every one that calleth upon my name, I have created him for my glory, I have formed him, and made him" & [ 21] "This people have I formed for myself, they shall shew forth my praise."

[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]The Ten Commandments are the entire list of possible sins; RATHER they are the 10 categories of sins.[/color]

1 John 1: 6-10 "6] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth. [7] But if we walk in the light, as he also is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. [8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all iniquity. [10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

1 John 5: 16-17 "[16] He that knoweth his brother to sin a sin which is not to death, let him ask, and life shall be given to him, who sinneth not to death. There is a sin unto death: for that I say not that any man ask. [17] All iniquity is sin. And there is a sin unto death" {"Unto death" here is a spiritual death: Condemned to hell}

God Bless you,
Patrick
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Old 10-16-2014, 07:58 AM
 
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My friend, your a bit naive in thinking ALL sins are spelled out.

Gen. 38: 6-10 " [6] And Juda took a wife for Her his firstborn, whose name was Thamar. [7] And Her, the firstborn of Juda, was wicked in the sight of the Lord: and was slain by him. [8] Juda, therefore said to Onan his son: Go in to thy brother' s wife and marry her, that thou mayst raise seed to thy brother. [9] He knowing that the children should not be his, when he went in to his brother' s wife, spilled his seed upon the ground, lest children should be born in his brother' s name. [10] And therefore the Lord slew him, because he did a detestable thing."


Hebrews 10:16 "And this is the testament which I will make unto them after those days, saith the Lord. I will give my laws in their hearts, and on their minds will I write them"

God Created man in his own image Gen. 1:26-27, and gives each of us a mind, intellect, and freewill that are attachments to our Souls so that we can fulfill the reason for OUR creation:

Isaiah 43: 7 & 21 "7] And every one that calleth upon my name, I have created him for my glory, I have formed him, and made him" & [ 21] "This people have I formed for myself, they shall shew forth my praise."

[COLOR="rgb(139, 0, 0)"]The Ten Commandments are the entire list of possible sins; RATHER they are the 10 categories of sins.[/color]

1 John 1: 6-10 "6] If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth. [7] But if we walk in the light, as he also is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. [8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all iniquity. [10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."

1 John 5: 16-17 "[16] He that knoweth his brother to sin a sin which is not to death, let him ask, and life shall be given to him, who sinneth not to death. There is a sin unto death: for that I say not that any man ask. [17] All iniquity is sin. And there is a sin unto death" {"Unto death" here is a spiritual death: Condemned to hell}

God Bless you,
Patrick
You just quoted Bible verses. You didn't address my comment at all, Pat.
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Old 10-16-2014, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Seymour, CT
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Marrying someone whom you've never lived with is like buying a car you've never driven. I'm glad more people have decided to try before they buy :-)
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Old 10-17-2014, 06:45 AM
 
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The OP already received the answer. God said its wrong, so it's wrong. Its a sin against the sixth commandment. Any sex outside the bonds of marriage is a sin. AS Christians, we are supposed to repent of sin in our hearts and as much as we are able in actions. But people who have sex outside the bonds of marriage, are not trying to stop sinning, and couples who continue to engage in sex on a regular basis outside the bonds of marriage are just in total rebellion against God. They are basically thumbing their noses at God. Not a good idea.

BTW, it is the business of other Christians, particularly members of their congregation. Please read 1 Corinthians 5. Here Paul commanded them to throw out of their church the man who was sinning sexually. "Hand him over to Satan" is one statement.

1Co 5:11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
1Co 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
1Co 5:13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”

So you see, if you want to truly be Christians, then there is some effort involved. Rejecting the sins God condemns and living in Faith toward Jesus. Living in faith means more than just trust in his forgiveness, but it also means we trust that His ways and His commandments are best, and we act in harmony with those commandments.



When you stand before God, it will be too late to repent. I would suggest you submit yourself to God today, because Judgment Day could be today. Or it could be your last day on the earth, and your last opportunity to repent.
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Old 10-17-2014, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Seymour, CT
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And make sure that when you're doing it that you don't wear fabric mixed of two materials

Leviticus 19:19: "'Keep my decrees. "'Do not mate different kinds of animals. "'Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. "'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material."

Wouldn't want to upset him or anything.
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Old 10-17-2014, 06:14 PM
 
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The OP already received the answer. God said its wrong, so it's wrong. Its a sin against the sixth commandment. Any sex outside the bonds of marriage is a sin.
Nope. 6th Commandment does NOT say that. In the OT, adultery was classified as a MARRIED woman having sex with another man.

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AS Christians, we are supposed to repent of sin in our hearts and as much as we are able in actions. But people who have sex outside the bonds of marriage, are not trying to stop sinning, and couples who continue to engage in sex on a regular basis outside the bonds of marriage are just in total rebellion against God. They are basically thumbing their noses at God. Not a good idea.
Nope, because it is a made up sin. You are right about repentance and living for God. This man-made standard does nothing of the sort!

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BTW, it is the business of other Christians, particularly members of their congregation. Please read 1 Corinthians 5. Here Paul commanded them to throw out of their church the man who was sinning sexually. "Hand him over to Satan" is one statement.

1Co 5:11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
1Co 5:12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
1Co 5:13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”
Irrelevant comment to something that was never declared a sin.

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So you see, if you want to truly be Christians, then there is some effort involved.
Works righteousness. Not how faith is lived out. Every religion in the world, like Judaism and Islam are all about ACTIONS. Christianity isn't about what YOU DO for God, but what He did for you.

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Rejecting the sins God condemns and living in Faith toward Jesus. Living in faith means more than just trust in his forgiveness, but it also means we trust that His ways and His commandments are best, and we act in harmony with those commandments.
This is true, but having sex before marriage does not fall under any biblical condemnation.

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When you stand before God, it will be too late to repent. I would suggest you submit yourself to God today, because Judgment Day could be today. Or it could be your last day on the earth, and your last opportunity to repent.
Fear-mongering, and inaccurate theology at best. Have you repented of EVERY single sin you've committed?
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Old 10-17-2014, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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"Hand him over to Satan" is one statement.
The compulsion to condemn and control, leads only to destruction.
Do not let your own insecurities push you down that road of being overly critical of others?

The only change you can make is within yourself.
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