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Old 09-26-2014, 05:00 AM
 
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The original version of Mark did not include anything after the original ending, which describes his followers running away afraid and terrified from the empty tomb.

The new "updated" version of Mark describes Jesus appearing again. (Did this represent his physical body or some kind of spiritual event for his followers?)

The books of Matthew and Luke were also "updates" of the gospel of Mark. They added even more miraculous events to the gospel story. (Virgin birth, etc)

Why do so many Bible believing Christians just ACCEPT everything as literal fact when there is so much to be skeptical about?
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Old 09-26-2014, 05:56 AM
 
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The original version of Mark did not include anything after the original ending, which describes his followers running away afraid and terrified from the empty tomb.

The new "updated" version of Mark describes Jesus appearing again. (Did this represent his physical body or some kind of spiritual event for his followers?)

The books of Matthew and Luke were also "updates" of the gospel of Mark. They added even more miraculous events to the gospel story. (Virgin birth, etc)

Why do so many Bible believing Christians just ACCEPT everything as literal fact when there is so much to be skeptical about?
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The original ending of Mark 16 does mention the Resurrection.

Mark 16:5-8

"5As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man, dressed in a white robe, sitting on the right side; and they were alarmed. 6But he said to them, “Do not be alarmed; you are looking for Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has been raised; he is not here. Look, there is the place they laid him. 7But go, tell his disciples and Peter that he is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see him, just as he told you.” 8So they went out and fled from the tomb, for terror and amazement had seized them; and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid. "

The "Longer Ending" was added in the second century perhaps to make Mark agree with Matthew's and Luke's extended (but contradictory) accounts of the post Resurrection.
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Old 09-26-2014, 06:19 AM
 
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The original ending of Mark 16 does mention the Resurrection.

Mark 16:5-8

"5As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man, dressed in a white robe, sitting on the right side; and they were alarmed. 6But he said to them, “Do not be alarmed; you are looking for Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has been raised; he is not here. Look, there is the place they laid him. 7But go, tell his disciples and Peter that he is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see him, just as he told you.” 8So they went out and fled from the tomb, for terror and amazement had seized them; and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid. "

The "Longer Ending" was added in the second century perhaps to make Mark agree with Matthew's and Luke's extended (but contradictory) accounts of the post Resurrection.
John's post resurrection story is likewise different from Matthew and Luke. The add-on ending of Mark also references John.

What all four Gospels agree on is that on Sunday morning the tomb was found to be empty and one or more strangers say that Jesus rose from the dead and went someplace. Nobody ever sees the resurrection event itself.
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Old 09-26-2014, 11:37 AM
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Why do so many Bible believing Christians just ACCEPT everything as literal fact when there is so much to be skeptical about?
This has always bothered me too. But then I started hanging around these forums and seeing examples of this kind of non-questioning day after day.

Moderator cut: cut But many people simply seem to be absent any sort of "questing gene" or curiousity. Maybe it's intellectual laziness. They prefer being spoon-fed "knowledge" from pastors/priests etc. rather than sift through archaic, often obscure writing in order to discern the wheat from the chaff.

Some are also simply afraid of not-knowing, or admitting to same, so they pretend they do.

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Old 09-26-2014, 11:46 AM
 
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This has always bothered me too. But then I started hanging around these forums and seeing examples of this kind of non-questioning day after day.

Lack of education combined with a room-temperature IQ explains some. But many people simply seem to be absent any sort of "questing gene" or curiousity. Maybe it's intellectual laziness. They prefer being spoon-fed "knowledge" from pastors/priests etc. rather than sift through archaic, often obscure writing in order to discern the wheat from the chaff.

Some are also simply afraid of not-knowing, or admitting to same, so they pretend they do.
The same could be said for many non-Christians that just accept what the secular world tells them.

I mean...how many people actually believe life came from non-life, and that the earth is 14 billion years old, and that it's currently warming due to people driving SUVs...despite the fact that it hasn't warmed in 17 years?
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Old 09-26-2014, 12:34 PM
 
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I mean...how many people actually believe life came from non-life, and that the earth is 14 billion years old, and that it's currently warming due to people driving SUVs...despite the fact that it hasn't warmed in 17 years?
NASA, which is full-to-the-brim with highly intelligent scientists, climatologists and meteorologists, consider that 17 years to be part of a pause. That pause could last several more years.

Just so you know.

Since I highly doubt the very conservative sources from which you obviously obtain your news are unbiased enough to include that bit of information.

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Old 09-26-2014, 02:14 PM
 
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John's post resurrection story is likewise different from Matthew and Luke. The add-on ending of Mark also references John.

What all four Gospels agree on is that on Sunday morning the tomb was found to be empty and one or more strangers say that Jesus rose from the dead and went someplace. Nobody ever sees the resurrection event itself.

I will agree it was Sunday that they found the tomb empty, but when comparing all 4 sided by side, it looks like they came Saturday night right after the sun went down, which would be considered the 1st day of the week, but it was not a Sunday morning at dawn sunrise resurrection.

Matthew 28:1(NKJV)
He Is Risen28 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.


Mark 16:1 (NKJV)He Is Risen16 Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him.




Luke 24:1 (NKJV)
He Is Risen24 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them,[a] came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared.



John 20:1 (NKJV)
The Empty Tomb20 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.
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Old 09-26-2014, 02:21 PM
 
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Mark does indeed mention the resurrection, but to my knowledge the original Markan text did not include the sightings of Christ after the ressurection. The does not contradict the other gospels, just contains a different focus or possibly seperate knowledge of events, which is to be expected.
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Old 09-26-2014, 02:31 PM
 
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Why do so many Bible believing Christians just ACCEPT everything as literal fact when there is so much to be skeptical about?
....Basically when Christ outwardly reject the scriptures then this is irreverence to Holy Spirit who judges our unseen faith in the things of the Lord , as it undermines the part that Holy Spirit will remind us of scripture when needed for our faith can be complete , so rejecting scripture shows Holy Spirit that He cannot always trust us to be reminded in the things of the Lord , as we are to be lead as like little children to the Lord ......Also rejecting faith in scriptures is under the spiritual authority of the spirit of antichrist who reasons out faith in God and His promises
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Old 09-26-2014, 03:21 PM
 
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These are different people with different experiences. A theatre full of people all watch the same show, but take away a different meaning. But they were all watching the same thing.
There may be a lot to be skeptical about, but I have faith that God's word is his Holy Word. And His Word would not lead me astray. I trust God, and I trust the bible, no matter who believes or doesn't believe. That will never change my mind, or make me doubt God.
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