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A question for anyone who disagrees with the eventual restoration of all to God.
Who is excluded from God's creation?????
Romans 8
14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” 16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it,in *hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.
*hope=elpis= expectation
The second death cannot be an eternal death because death is to be abolished by the Lord according to 1 Cor. 15. The idea of an eternal death for the majority of people that God created fails to realize that God is able to subject/subdue all things to Himself, including all hearts. It fails to recognize the power of the Creator to work all things according to the counsel of His own will as Eusebius shared. The death and resurrection of Jesus will undo what happened when Adam sinned and his sin affected the creation. The sin of Adam is not greater than the sacrifice and obedience of the Savior. Jesus has been made heir of all (Hebrews 1).
God bless
Last edited by ShanaBrown; 10-22-2014 at 08:05 PM..
The above verses do not say such ones will NEVER EVER be saved. And if they did they would directly contradict God's very word of 1 Timothy 2:4-6; 4:10,11; Romans 5:18,19; 1 Corinthians 15:22-28; Ephesians 1:9,10; Colossians 1:20; Philippians 2:8-11; 1 John 2:2; 1 John 4:14; John 4:42 to name but a few.
If someone dies and is not born of water and spirit and does not do the will of God then they are not saved. They will never enter the kingdom of God.
Try to enter by the narrow gate. Many will try and be unable for the road that leads to destruction is easy and the gate is wide and many will take it but the road that leads to life is hard and the gate is narrow and there are few who find it.
Without faith, it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
A question for anyone who disagrees with the eventual restoration of all to God.
Who is excluded from God's creation?????
Romans 8
14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. 15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” 16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it,in *hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. 23 And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body.
*hope=elpis= expectation
The second death cannot be an eternal death because death is to be abolished by the Lord according to 1 Cor. 15. The idea of an eternal death for the majority of people that God created fails to realize that God is able to subject/subdue all things to Himself, including all hearts. It fails to recognize the power of the Creator to work all things according to the counsel of His own will as Eusebius shared. The death and resurrection of Jesus will undo what happened when Adam sinned and his sin affected the creation. The sin of Adam is not greater than the sacrifice and obedience of the Savior. Jesus has been made heir of all (Hebrews 1).
God bless
Shana, you are absolute right, there is no eternal death, death will be abolished at the end of the Millennium. All will be made alive means all will be resurrected and live forever. The question we have to ask, where will they live? The First Resurrection is clear, they have died in Christ or are alive in Christ and they get an immortal body living forever in Christ, the second death has no power over them. Who is the second death? It is the lake of fire. The word death does not refer to their body, because the body is immortal and cannot die. So what death does the lake of fire represent? Not the death of the body, because the body cannot die after the resurrection, death is not eternal. The lake of fire is called second death, because all that are spiritual dead are thrown into it and they live there forever, because they cannot die, therefor they are called carcases, which worm will not die. This is an eternal state as everything is in the new earth. Only the sons of God get the inheritance with Christ, the choosen ones. The unrighteous and wicked perish forever, that means they are in the lake of fire and are spiritual dead for ever, that is what the bible teaches, you certainly do not agree with it, but it will not change anything. So the destiny of the righteous and the unrighteous is written in the bible, they represent the dead now in Heaven and hell. But there is a third group which are now in Sheol, they are not in Heaven nor in hell, they await their resurrection, which is the second one and will be all the dead from Adam to the last in the Millennium. Christianity teaches they are all thrown into the lake of fire. But the bible says only them that are not found in the book of life. There must be a book of life in the days of Moses, and God only blotted out the wicked, their will be a book of life also for them in the Millennium, and when Christians will be found in hell, they will also be found in the Sheol and when their judgement will be positive and they are not plotted out of the book of life, they will go into life, but they went through the fire. God is a God of justice also, He can save everyone He wants and He does. But they that have rebelled agaist Him He will not allow into His Kingdom, which is of love and harmony, a perfect unity. Every human can choose. God knows who will choose rigtheousness and who loves darkness from the beginning and is a rebell. This world is a harvest, producing wheat and tares. If the wheat remains wheat forever, the tares will be the same also forever. We have to make sure, that we believe in Christ and remaine in Him to inherit eternal salvation.
Herod was a human and not God. That is why many translations, when thelema is used of humans, is translated as "wants" or "desires." But God get's what He wills.
There is God's will and there is God's intention. "Who hath withstood His intention?" (Romans 9:19). Answer: No one. In opposing God's will, men fulfill God's intention.
Obviously your words are against God's.
Isa_46:10 Telling from the beginning, the hereafter, and from aforetime, what has not yet been done.
Saying, `All My counsel shall be confirmed, and all My desire will I do.'"
Why is it that God WILL have all mankind to be saved per 1 Timothy 2:4-6?
Answer: Christ gave Himself a ransom for all.
In the Old Testament, any animal or human that was ransomed had to be freed.
Therefore, God really will save all mankind because all mankind were ransomed. They must be freed from sin and death into God's salvation. No ifs ands or buts about it.
Are you going to do a complete study of ransom in the Old Testament or are you going to continue spewing falsehoods?
Remember, God tells us to charge and teach He will save all mankind and is all mankind's Saviour (1 Tim.2:4-6; 4:10,11). Are you telling me God is telling us to lie?
Christ, the risen Christ, gave those words to Paul to give to the church.
1Th_2:13 And therefore we also are thanking God unintermittingly that,
in accepting the word heard from us, from God you receive, not the word of men,
but, according as it truly is, the word of God, which is operating also in you who are believing."
Shana, you are absolute right, there is no eternal death, death will be abolished at the end of the Millennium. All will be made alive means all will be resurrected and live forever. The question we have to ask, where will they live? The First Resurrection is clear, they have died in Christ or are alive in Christ and they get an immortal body living forever in Christ, the second death has no power over them. Who is the second death? It is the lake of fire. The word death does not refer to their body, because the body is immortal and cannot die. So what death does the lake of fire represent? Not the death of the body, because the body cannot die after the resurrection, death is not eternal. The lake of fire is called second death, because all that are spiritual dead are thrown into it and they live there forever, because they cannot die, therefor they are called carcases, which worm will not die. This is an eternal state as everything is in the new earth. Only the sons of God get the inheritance with Christ, the choosen ones. The unrighteous and wicked perish forever, that means they are in the lake of fire and are spiritual dead for ever, that is what the bible teaches, you certainly do not agree with it, but it will not change anything. So the destiny of the righteous and the unrighteous is written in the bible, they represent the dead now in Heaven and hell. But there is a third group which are now in Sheol, they are not in Heaven nor in hell, they await their resurrection, which is the second one and will be all the dead from Adam to the last in the Millennium. Christianity teaches they are all thrown into the lake of fire. But the bible says only them that are not found in the book of life. There must be a book of life in the days of Moses, and God only blotted out the wicked, their will be a book of life also for them in the Millennium, and when Christians will be found in hell, they will also be found in the Sheol and when their judgement will be positive and they are not plotted out of the book of life, they will go into life, but they went through the fire. God is a God of justice also, He can save everyone He wants and He does. But they that have rebelled agaist Him He will not allow into His Kingdom, which is of love and harmony, a perfect unity. Every human can choose. God knows who will choose rigtheousness and who loves darkness from the beginning and is a rebell. This world is a harvest, producing wheat and tares. If the wheat remains wheat forever, the tares will be the same also forever. We have to make sure, that we believe in Christ and remaine in Him to inherit eternal salvation.
Zur, once death is abolished where will all live? They will all live in the glorious freedom of the sons of God (Romans 8:21).
I think you are confusing the getting to the goal with the goal. The millennium is not God's final goal and neither is the New Earth and all that pertains to the new earth. God's ultimate goal is to save all mankind, reconcile all mankind, head up all mankind in Christ, be All in all mankind.
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